Barça's Transfers and Rumors

[fcbdna]

In my opinion, most of these players would be worse than Montoya given the pretense that they all get the same amount of playing time, but you can't compare a starter to someone who barely reaches double digits in appearances over a whole season despite being fit.

Just as a reminder, Carvajal who many here see as one of the best RB in the world was only 2nd RB behind none other than Montoya. It all depends on the context and if you can't see that Montoya has at least as much talent as most of the players on your list then I don't know what to say really.

Most clubs you've listed would gladly trade their RB for Montoya. I mean, come on... Johnson, Rafael, Walker, Lichtsteiner, Abate? they're not even world class



Yeah Pep had such little confidence in Montoya that he played him in the Copa final when he was only 20 (by the way, he was one of the best in that game). The only comical one here is you.

True Carvajal WAS second to Montoya in the past. . . Too bad Motoya decided to stunt his growth be "football runt"

Here's an interesting quote from wikipedia to back your "Copa finals" claim :

Montoya again spent the vast majority of 2011–12 with the reserves. His first start for the first team occurred on 12 January 2012, in a 2–1 away triumph against CA Osasuna for the season's Copa del Rey (6–1 on aggregate).[5] Due to injury to Daniel Alves he played in the final of the domestic cup, appearing the full 90 minutes in a 3–0 win over Athletic Bilbao.[6]

Don't take it personal, but I believe. . . Heck, every emotionally unattached football follower knows Carvajal is currently eons ahead of Montoya.

 

[Alarcón]

Yes he is but as I've said, you can't compare someone who doesn't play regularly to a starter. Montoya never gets the nod over Alves even when he plays well, whereas Carvajal's competitor is Arbeloa and he has a coach who values performance over reputation.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes he is but as I've said, you can't compare someone who doesn't play regularly to a starter. Montoya never gets the nod over Alves even when he plays well, whereas Carvajal's competitor is Arbeloa and he has a coach who values performance over reputation.

Alves has been better than Montoya this season, much better.

So to claim that Montoya is suffering from the coach valuing performance over reputation is wrong.

Montoya needs to doe more and win a place in the team. He really needs to step up as at moment he brings little but as a fairly solid full back. Which doesnt cut it at Barcelona.

 

[ebieymjunior]

Alves has been better than Montoya this season, much better.

So to claim that Montoya is suffering from the coach valuing performance over reputation is wrong.

Montoya needs to doe more and win a place in the team. He really needs to step up as at moment he brings little but as a fairly solid full back. Which doesnt cut it at Barcelona.

He hasn't.
Montoya was good, especially the last time he played, considering he's a defender...
Always wonder if it's your love for Alves or hatred towards Montoya that disturbs your judgement. If I'm not mistaken you also wanted Thiago out last year. If so, then you probably have something against young players?

 

[Zincubus]

I have always like Lippi, he would be a good choice for the short term. He has experience at this level and is a winner, he would have the utmost respect from the players and he was always strong defensively which is something we need.

A defensive way of playing wont be accepted here ....

 

[DinhoR10]

Hopefully Alves is slowly faded out this season if he isn't sold and Montoya is given an extended run as starter. Has potential if he didn't he wouldn't be here.

And theres nothing wrong with being defensive, Alves leaves Bartra/ Pique to be the loan sweeper on the right leading to countless goals scored on the counter. We have Jordi Alba for god's sake we don't need everybody bombing forward.

 

[JamDav1982]

He hasn't.
Montoya was good, especially the last time he played, considering he's a defender...
Always wonder if it's your love for Alves or hatred towards Montoya that disturbs your judgement. If I'm not mistaken you also wanted Thiago out last year. If so, then you probably have something against young players?

No I never wanted Thiago out at all and I dont hate Montoya and would love for him to now be able to replace Alves but he hasnt shown he can.

But Montoya has not been better than Alves at all this season and when he had played had neither looked brilliant defensively or great going forward.

Sid it before but in this Barca team you need to be a fullback that is comfortable as a winger or a full back that is at home at cb and can cover. Montoya doesnt have that.

 

[ebieymjunior]

No I never wanted Thiago out at all and I dont hate Montoya and would love for him to now be able to replace Alves but he hasnt shown he can.

But Montoya has not been better than Alves at all this season and when he had played had neither looked brilliant defensively or great going forward.

Sid it before but in this Barca team you need to be a fullback that is comfortable as a winger or a full back that is at home at cb and can cover. Montoya doesnt have that.

I think you're right that those are the kinds of full backs required, but maybe it's just the trainer. Cause Montoya seems like he can cover CB quite well, at least that's what I think, but he's not played there yet in the first team.
I bet if Rafinha had stayed, he wouldn't have been considered as he now is. Could have something to do with the fact that his qualities aren't too visible, but I think he has the potential to be very solid, but that's just me.

I'm saying so cause when I played football I was mostly placed in fullback, but then a trainer came and placed me in CB and it was much better for me, and I play a bit like Montoya.

 

[JamDav1982]

I think you're right that those are the kinds of full backs required, but maybe it's just the trainer. Cause Montoya seems like he can cover CB quite well, at least that's what I think, but he's not played there yet in the first team.
I bet if Rafinha had stayed, he wouldn't have been considered as he now is. Could have something to do with the fact that his qualities aren't too visible, but I think he has the potential to be very still, but that's just me.

Personally have always like Montoya but feel he just lacks something, not sure if is the aggression or inability to impose will on game but he always just seems 'average'.

It just gets tiresome when people try and make out it is all other peoples fault that he has not broken into the team. He has been given a lot of opportunities and has played more than 50% of the minutes that Alves has in La Liga this season but still looks inferior to Alves even when he has started to decline.

 

[ebieymjunior]

Personally have always like Montoya but feel he just lacks something, not sure if is the aggression or inability to impose will on game but he always just seems 'average'.

It just gets tiresome when people try and make out it is all other peoples fault that he has not broken into the team. He has been given a lot of opportunities and has played more than 50% of the minutes that Alves has in La Liga this season but still looks inferior to Alves even when he has started to decline.

Fair enough, he should have done more. I think he did well the last time he played, let's see how he'll do the next times.

 

[Flavia]

Barcelona and Fiorentina have started talking on Colombian right wing player Juan Guillermo Cuadrado. The Italian club ask 30M. [sport]

Napoli right wing player Juan Camilo Zuniga (28) has a 15M buyout clasue for Barcelona and a 30M buyout clause for all other teams. [via md]

One of those 2 will probably be our rb next season.

 

[DonAK]

Barcelona and Fiorentina have started talking on Colombian right wing player Juan Guillermo Cuadrado. The Italian club ask 30M. [sport]

Napoli right wing player Juan Camilo Zuniga (28) has a 15M buyout clasue for Barcelona and a 30M buyout clause for all other teams. [via md]

One of those 2 will probably be our rb next season.

Amazing. After the Song can play CB debacle you would think they'd learn. Lets go ahead and sign Cuadrado, a winger, who despite what fcdna says, has only played at the RB position a few times. I know it's SPORT BSing, but this rumour has been going on for a very long time now in MD and other media outlets as well...

If it's between those two then Zuñiga all the way, if we intend to stick him at the RB position. Even he has been playing at the other flank for quite a while now.

 

[Flavia]

Amazing. After the Song can play CB debacle you would think they'd learn. Lets go ahead and sign Cuadrado, a winger, who despite what fcdna says, has only played at the RB position a few times. I know it's SPORT BSing, but this rumour has been going on for a very long time now in MD and other media outlets as well...

If it's between those two then Zuñiga all the way, if we intend to stick him at the RB position. Even he has been playing at the other flank for quite a while now.

Best part is sport called cuadrado "alves natural successor"

 

[DonAK]

Best part is sport called cuadrado "alves natural successor"

Amazing.

I'd love to work for SPORT.

 

[Kohe321]

Montoya isn't our starting right back, so I don't see how that analogy is applicable... But for the record, he's just plain better than Johnson, Jones, and Jallet, and is probably better than almost all of them at the role we require from our fullbacks.

Agree, it's completely unfair to compare him to players who start mostly every match for their respective teams. People seem to seriously undervalue the importance of actually playing matches for a player to show what really lives in him. It's not enough to get one game every month, and just garbagetime inbetween. I think Montoya has, even with the limited time he has been given, shown that he's ready to step up and get more playing time over Dani Alves. Several of Montoyas performances has been neck and shoulders above those of Dani Alves, for instance in the recent game against Granada where we lost, Montoya was arguably one of our best players on the pitch.

Under normal circumstances he would have convinced most coaches to get more playing time by now, but for some strange reason in Barca we keep starting players based on their names over their performances. It's no wonder several of our youthplayers have thought about leaving at one point or another, and needed some convincing and motivation from the veterans to change their minds about it. The way we keep underutilizing our youthplayers is slowly moving us more and more into a buying-clubs way of handling things. Whats the point of having the worlds best fotballacademy in La Masia if we're not going to use it properly?