Cesc Fàbregas

[Youngie]

No Xavi Barça lose 2-1 to madrid it is not related with no Fabregas
When Fabregas start even Xavi is not enough Milan 2- Barcelona 0 Barcelona 1- Madrid 3
Thiago costs 0 milyon Euro, Fabregas costs 35 milyon Euro

So yes he deserves better. He deserves an Arsenal.

Right? So the loss to madrid is related to Thiago then who you're saying cost 0 "milyon" LOL. You need to support your own players here. With Fabregas in the line up Barça broke records this season. Explain that please

 

[Besiktas]

Right? So the loss to madrid is related to Thiago then who you're saying cost 0 "milyon" LOL. You need to support your own players here. With Fabregas in the line up Barça broke records this season. Explain that please

I do not overrate records that are broken in a two-horse league. We did not win a classico this year yet. It is not 1 match 2 match it is almost 5-6 matches since our last victory. Fabregas is not brought here to make an impact against Granada, Rayo Vallecano, Getafe, etc.

He is always a flop in big matches. I wanted to write 0 million euro "milyon" is the Turkish version of million. Sorry for typo.

In the Thiago example, I wanted to state that Barcelona does not need a 35 million euro Fabregas for a Xavi-İniesta backup. Thiago can do what can Fabregas do in CM and he is younger than Fabregas. We did not pay 35 million euro to him. He deserves more minutes than Fabregas.

Fabregas left this team on a free transfer when he was 16. He did not came back with a free transfer. We paid a lot. So we expect a lot. And he always flops in big matches.

I prefer losing to Madrid with Thiago instead of Fabregas.

 

[Youngie]

Cesc played well in the 1-1 vs madrid. There's a video somewhere.

Anyway you say Cesc flopped vs madrid. What about Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc. they all "flopped" vs madrid too.

There's just no arguing with you since you have your mind made up. I don't get your problem either: Barça are 1st in the league by a record distance and qualified for the CL quarters and all with Cesc in the squad.

 

[Flavia]

Cesc is here to stay, and he is a Barça player. Some people need to get used to this, he's not going anywhere.
He's been good this season, with many important goals and assists. Not his fault that the coaches sometimes decide to play all mdfs at once. Xavi's with discomfort again. Only Thiago as a backup is not enough, Iniesta also tends to get injured sometimes.

 

[Besiktas]

We all see that Fabregas was on the bench in the historical comeback. He did not come in as a substitue. A 30-35 million euro sub who flops in big matches.

@Flavia
Please always open the critical match threads by yourself.

I think Sergi Roberto can handle the second backup role in our midfield. Even Song can play a keita role in some matches. Thiago will become more mature next year. Using Cesc for back-up MC is not a good choice. He has a market value around 30 million euro. We can use this value in order to solve our Messi dependency in big matches.

If Cesc had not been a flop in our big matches (Milan game, Chelsea game, Classicos), I would not say these things. However, 30-35 million for a Xavi-İniesta back-up who will be used in matches like Rayo,Granada is a luxery. Thiago and Sergi Roberto/Song can handle this job. Maybe Rafinha and Dos Santos can be used in some easy matches.

The dilemma is the role of Fabregas. No one says Fabregas is a bad footballer.

If Cesc is a backup for small games, then he is not cheap. A cheaper option like Thiago,Sergi,Rafinha can handle it.

If Cesc is a starter for big games, then he should shine on big games. However, he flops nearly all of them. Trying to integrate him to the team in these type of games had given damage to the Barcelona. Remember the last year's 3-4-3 experiments. Remember Chelsea away. Remember this year's Milan away.That is my point.

 

[ShandyFFM]

Imo the main thing cexc has to work on is his pace... He got evrrythjng but the pace

 

[Flavia]

He's not a backup for small games. He's needed to rotate with xavi and iniesta and keep the level of the team. And he doesn't flop in big matches. He has already scored 2 past madrid, he was the one who scored on the bernabeu on the 1-1 cdr 1st leg. Against milan it was a team failure, it's really not fair to pin this on him alone. The Chelsea game is even worse... Cesc and Alexis missed chances, but Messi missed a penalty.
He also had some other great and decisive games when played in a proper position. Cesc is not the problem. He already has been, and will be even more important in the future. Without him the league wouldn't have this confort cushion it has now.

 

[Besiktas]

He's not a backup for small games. He's needed to rotate with xavi and iniesta and keep the level of the team. And he doesn't flop in big matches. He has already scored 2 past madrid, he was the one who scored on the bernabeu on the 1-1 cdr 1st leg. Against milan it was a team failure, it's really not fair to pin this on him alone. He also had some other great and decisive games when played in a proper position. Cesc is not the problem. Without him the league wouldn't have this confort cushion it has now.

His main duty as a midfielder in FCB is not scoring. For example, Fabregas was playing really poor in the last year's la liga classico which ended 1-3. Yes, he scored that header but he failed in his main duty. He is not suitable to our tiki-taka posession game. He wants to play an AMC role as in Arsenal. However this is Barcelona. We do not play with a free AMC. Both of our midfielders have defensive duties. In terms of defensive positioning, controlling possession under pressure Fabregas always fails. Thiago is actually better than him in these areas.

Since we do not play AMC, Fabregas suits false nine role in this team. However, currently we have the best false-9 of all time in our squad. Fabregas can't produce like Messi in false nine. The difference between Barcelona and Spanish national team is this.

So he is a back-up for small games. When it matters, he was always benched. Pep benched him in Chelsea game at home. Tito benched him in Milan game at home. Is this a coincedence?

 

[Flavia]

His main duty as a midfielder in FCB is not scoring. For example, Fabregas was playing really poor in the last year's la liga classico which ended 1-3. Yes, he scored that header but he failed in his main duty. He is not suitable to our tiki-taka posession game. He wants to play an AMC role as in Arsenal. However this is Barcelona. We do not play with a free AMC. Both of our midfielders have defensive duties. In terms of defensive positioning, controlling possession under pressure Fabregas always fails. Thiago is actually better than him in these areas.

Since we do not play AMC, Fabregas suits false nine role in this team. However, currently we have the best false-9 of all time in our squad. Fabregas can't produce like Messi in false nine. The difference between Barcelona and Spanish national team is this.

So he is a back-up for small games. When it matters, he was always benched. Pep benched him in Chelsea game at home. Tito benched him in Milan game at home. Is this a coincedence?

It's not a coincidence, as the starting md is Xavi-Busi-Iniesta. But Cesc is getting better on the system. He can play cm fine already, the affirmation "In terms of defensive positioning, controlling possession under pressure Fabregas always fails" is false, he already had great games playing cm. Even on his 1st season with barça he had some, he is getting more confortable each game.
Xavi won't play forever, and Thiago is still young and prone to mistakes. There was a point this season when Xavi and Iniesta were out, I don't remember which game was, when cesc and thiago had to play. A season has a lot of games, there's space for the 4 of them.

 

[Doobs]

Besiktas is a certified Cesc hater. 95% posts are Cesc hate.

 

[DavidVillano1]

That's just wrong. Barça have set the record for best start to La Liga in history with Cesc in the team.

It's not as simple as that, yes Barcelona set a record but let's not ignore that some of the performances were not great and late goals were needed to secure victories. Let's look at some of these games early on!

Osasuna 1-2 Barcelona - Cesc was subbed for Pedro after 60 odd minutes when the score was 1-0 to Osasuna. Barcelona score two relatively late goals to secure victory. Cesc had no influence on that;
Barcelona 1-0 Valencia - Cesc subbed early on again, Barcelona won due to Adriano's wondergoal;
Sevilla 2-3 Barcelona - Fabregas had a good game with a double, but Barcelona sneaked the victory with two very late goals against a ten man side;
Barcelona 2-2 Real - Thought he was poor and rightly subbed around the 60 minute mark for Sanchez;

Cesc was good in some games but poor in others, however Barcelona can win games comfortably when Cesc plays because you's have a team full of stars but having consistently watched him over the last two season's I always feel he's the one lacking and his passing can be poor. He will get goals/assists but I don't think his return is anywhere near good enough. 9 goals and 9 assists in 35 appearances(29 starts) That look's decent on paper however he's failed to score or assist in 24 of those games.

Xavi is old, soon Cesc will have his time where he belongs. Until then he can be rotated in the middle as has been said 100's of times on here.

Hopefully when Xavi calls it a day, Thiago will be his replacement rather than Cesc.

 

[PearLBLacK]

Besiktas is a certified Cesc hater. 95% posts are Cesc hate.

Everyone hates Cesc except Ketoth and Dalitis.

 

[Robbie]

Why, though? Was it because he's seen as someone who left when things got tough, but "came home" when titles were being won left and right? Or just that he wasn't there for the historic wins, and hasn't earned the respect of the fans yet?

 

[Flavia]

Why, though? Was it because he's seen as someone who left when things got tough, but "came home" when titles were being won left and right? Or just that he wasn't there for the historic wins, and hasn't earned the respect of the fans yet?

All of this, I guess. With time this will change.

 

[jamrock]

Why, though? Was it because he's seen as someone who left when things got tough, but "came home" when titles were being won left and right? Or just that he wasn't there for the historic wins, and hasn't earned the respect of the fans yet?

The former