Cesc Fàbregas

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Besiktas

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Dinho said:
It shows that although Messi is the best in the world and already one of the top 5 greatest players of all time, he does take away creative freedom and goalscoring chances away from the likes of Cesc and Alexis because they have to work a lot harder and play in areas of the pitch that they're not as effective in.

Not necessarily a criticism, just an observation.

I'm sure Barcelona could still compete at the top without Messi around.
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If Alexis or Cesc can do the samething against big teams, you are totally true. Remember the Madrid CL semi final first leg. Messi scored two goals. One of them could only be scored by Messi. Any other human in the world could not score that goal against Madrid. Messi is Messi because of that. He scored 18 goals and asisted 10 against Madrid.

If Alexis and Cesc can do the samething let's sell Messi and play them for the sake of FC Barcelona.

A relagating Mallorca game is not a good starting point for this discussion.
 
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Besiktas said:
Flavia you miss something. Yes Messi and Cesc played well together but with Cesc as MC and Messi as False 9 CF. With Messi as RWF and Cesc as False 9 they will lack a winger who make runs for creators. They are both creator type player not run and finish or run and asist type player. So I think Cesc as False 9CF and Messi as RWF will not be succesfull.
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First of all, their last season's successful partnership and chemistry which is being mentioned is when Messi and Cesc both played as forwards. So you're incorrect to begin with. And nobody ever said one of them should be used as a winger, so your other remark is incorrect, as well. Seeing that your entire premise is incorrect to begin with, you can imagine how I value the rest of your post.

If I cared enough, I'd go through your posts and try to count how many of them are not anti-Fabregas. You should stop trying to prove your point, since everyone knows what you're gonna say just by seeing your username.
 
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Besiktas said:
Flavia you miss something. Yes Messi and Cesc played well together but with Cesc as MC and Messi as False 9 CF. With Messi as RWF and Cesc as False 9 they will lack a winger who make runs for creators. They are both creator type player not run and finish or run and asist type player. So I think Cesc as False 9CF and Messi as RWF will not be succesfull.

You say they have chemistry. It is not about their chemistry. It is about team chemistery. A football team needs different type of players (weapons) who adds and covers different aspects of the game. For example 2 Pique defence is not good. A pique needs a puyol. For example 2 Xavi is not good. A Xavi and an Inıesta is better. For example a Messi and two winger who makes runs and finish good is better than a Messi and a Fabregas upfront. The problem is only Villa is a good finisher in our squad. In the old days both Henry and Etoo were good finishers. If Pedro or Alexis starts to finish the problem will be solved. Or we should buy a new winger who can score well.

By the way unfortunately Cesc has still no place in our strongest first team line-up. It is not about the Cesc's quality. It is about Messi's Iniesta's and Xavi's quality. You say that this is my Cesc hate. But be sure that it is not. My priority is the success of Barcelona.

A relegating Mallorca game will not change my thoughts. If the scenario that you told works for Madrid games or Milan, PSG, Chelsea games than I promise I will apoligize and say that I was wrong.
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Cesc scored against madrid, this year. Assisted by Messi... So they do understand each other, with both playing upfront. And it's nice to have tatical variations. They can be useful sometimes. And you're forgetting Xavi won't be here forever. He already needs to be preserved for the more important games. Iniesta has a record with injuries as well. And without Cesc the 13 point gap wouldn't exist, so even with his dip in form, he was still very useful for Barcelona's current liga success.
 
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Besiktas said:
Flavia you miss something. Yes Messi and Cesc played well together but with Cesc as MC and Messi as False 9 CF. With Messi as RWF and Cesc as False 9 they will lack a winger who make runs for creators. They are both creator type player not run and finish or run and asist type player. So I think Cesc as False 9CF and Messi as RWF will not be succesfull.

You say they have chemistry. It is not about their chemistry. It is about team chemistery. A football team needs different type of players (weapons) who adds and covers different aspects of the game. For example 2 Pique defence is not good. A pique needs a puyol. For example 2 Xavi is not good. A Xavi and an Inıesta is better. For example a Messi and two winger who makes runs and finish good is better than a Messi and a Fabregas upfront. The problem is only Villa is a good finisher in our squad. In the old days both Henry and Etoo were good finishers. If Pedro or Alexis starts to finish the problem will be solved. Or we should buy a new winger who can score well.

By the way unfortunately Cesc has still no place in our strongest first team line-up. It is not about the Cesc's quality. It is about Messi's Iniesta's and Xavi's quality. You say that this is my Cesc hate. But be sure that it is not. My priority is the success of Barcelona.

A relegating Mallorca game will not change my thoughts. If the scenario that you told works for Madrid games or Milan, PSG, Chelsea games than I promise I will apoligize and say that I was wrong.

Anyway I love you Flavia and please open the match tread against PSG. We need you badly. :worthy:
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Give us break from your overanalysis and hate today at least. Feel free to come back tomorrow
 
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i'm really happy for Cesc tonight, he's been struggling for form and looking frustrated recently so it's nice to see him oozing confidence and proving his quality again. he is a very talented player who clearly loves the club and wants to do well, i think he's tried hard adjusting to fit our system and been pretty versatile.

87 games for us so far, 27 goals and 31 assists. very good stats in my opinion even though he's suffered long periods of poor form.
 
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:lol:
La Liga Top Assists

1 Andrés Iniesta Barcelona 13
2 Lionel Messi Barcelona 11
3 Cesc Fábregas Barcelona 10

:worthy:
 
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