Cesc Fàbregas

[Barcaman]

It's as over the top as other side trashing entire set of cules for being too negative. Or being fanboys. Or whatever. Funniest thing is, those most vocal about it started following Barca since Ronaldinho, at best.

Everyone just needs to stop with overreacting and faulty generalizations.

 

[FiReFTW]

Nothing wrong with a little discussion Bojan

You are so over the top about everything. Especially in the negative sense.

If everyone was positive about everything even the negative things then nothing would ever change or be corrected, not long ago ( at the middle of the season or a bit further back even, even at the start of the season ) there were quite a few people saying our defence is fine and we need no cb signings at all, we are fine as we are, even tho some few people like miself keept pointing out that our defence is not fine, infact its far from fine because we barely have any decent cb's and alot of ppl seem to rely on Puyol whos old and very injury prone, and look where we are at now, now almost everyone realizes that the defence is an issue and a big one.
If I wouldn't care about the club I wouldn't point out such things, but I do and when I see something is wrong I speak up, I don't claim to be right about everything and sometimes I overreact but thats how you get other ppl to start wondering about it.
And remember the club is always bigger than the player, just because someone was home raised doesn't mean they get some special treatement if they perform badly, for example Pique has been bad and inconsistent for most of this season, hell he was inconsistent last season awell but this season was another step down for him, so when/if (hopefuly) we buy one or two good cb's this season, I would certainly not hessitate to put Pique on the bench if he performs badly unlike some people that think he should get some special treatement for being home grown.
Now about Cesc specificaly, how am I being so negative and over the top about it for example? Whats so negative by simply stating that he did not varant his price so far, he cost us a fortune and you would expect him to peform to varant that price. Now im not saying hes horrible, but he has some good matches in a season but most are horrid like the one today, and its mostly the 2nd half of the season aswell. 2nd thing is his playing position means we have to sacrifice Iniesta on the wing for him to play in the 1st team, I thought he would come as a replacement for Xavi? ( I knew that would be hard since hes a different type player tho ). So considering hes very inconsistent and sometimes quite horrid, and that his position is kinda wrong and not needed since we have Iniesta there, yes I think he was not a good signing for us.

 

[darthvader7888]

Not you, just some people in general. He was horrible today, there's no denying that. Others are saying he should be sold and that he's utter shit

This. People need to remember that he was great in the first half of the season and part of the reason the 13 point gap exists. He's off-form now, but people need to stop acting like he's complete shit or needs to be sold.

 

[SeloBarca]

Still dont think theres any spot for him, hes no false, 9, no striker, no cf, no playmaker. The closest his playstyle comes to is Iniesta, only that Iniesta is 10 times better at everything.

 

[dmode]

Nothing wrong with a little discussion Bojan

Now about Cesc specificaly, how am I being so negative and over the top about it for example? Whats so negative by simply stating that he did not varant his price so far, he cost us a fortune and you would expect him to peform to varant that price. Now im not saying hes horrible, but he has some good matches in a season but most are horrid like the one today, and its mostly the 2nd half of the season aswell. 2nd thing is his playing position means we have to sacrifice Iniesta on the wing for him to play in the 1st team, I thought he would come as a replacement for Xavi? ( I knew that would be hard since hes a different type player tho ). So considering hes very inconsistent and sometimes quite horrid, and that his position is kinda wrong and not needed since we have Iniesta there, yes I think he was not a good signing for us.

I respect your opinion, but don't agree with your assessment at all. If Cesc was "horrid" in most games, he would not end up with 27 goals and 31 assists even before 2 seasons in Barcelona. When you think that in that period he has played false 9, CM, AM, on the wings, 3-4-3, 4-3-3 and everything in between, it blows your mind that he had that much success. In Arsenal, he basically played one position and dominated it. He is not a natural false 9, so obviously in some games he would appear invisible. Recall Villa goes on stealth mode in many games as well as Barca's possession football retains the ball in mid-field. The fact remains that his key performances against Malaga, Sevilla, Deportivo etc. is the reason that Barca is 13 points ahead and has basically won the league. More importantly, due to his ability to play multiple positions Barcelona is able to rotate Villa, Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi that much better. Think about it, he has played all those 4 positions. Barcelona continued to dominate teams in Liga even when key players were missing on the side because he brings that additional stability to the game. Think for a moment if Cesc was not in the team, Tito would have been playing Xavi-Iniesta in all La Liga games.

 

[Michael]

The reason Cesc is constantly shuffled around the field is not so much due to his versatility, but rather because he has failed to grab a position and make it his own.

He doesn't have the discipline (intelligence?) to play Xavi's role, he doesn't have the skill to play Iniesta's, and he most definitely does not carry enough of a goal scoring threat to play the Messi-role (Mallorca doesn't count).

This would all be fine if Cesc was a youngster just breaking into the first team, of course, but he isn't, and at the moment he obstructs the development of Thiago more than anything, because he has to be shoehorned into the side somehow.

Conclusion: I'm all for a sale if we can recoup most of what we payed.

 

[Besiktas]

The reason Cesc is constantly shuffled around the field is not so much due to his versatility, but rather because he has failed to grab a position and make it his own.

He doesn't have the discipline (intelligence?) to play Xavi's role, he doesn't have the skill to play Iniesta's, and he most definitely does not carry enough of a goal scoring threat to play the Messi-role (Mallorca doesn't count).

This would all be fine if Cesc was a youngster just breaking into the first team, of course, but he isn't, and at the moment he obstructs the development of Thiago more than anything, because he has to be shoehorned into the side somehow.

Conclusion: I'm all for a sale if we can recoup most of what we payed.

After all these victory days, club had failed to stop Cesc saga. Pique, Xavi, Reina all had wanted this transfer. A player of a club should not share his ideas about a possible transfer. We have bought Cesc because the return of the homeboy story was selling in that days. Pique and Xavi are really guilty in this transfer. Transfers should not be made by emotional reasons. They should be made by the needs of the team. Buying a 35-40 mil midfielder is a luxory when you have Xavi, Iniesta and Thiago. Instead of this transfer, we could have bought a first class CB. Barcelona is not a social club. Does it? Pique should know this. Xavi should know this.

Was the club needing Cesc for around 40 mil? NO. After two years, we can obviously see that we do not need him. I do not say that Cesc is a bad player. I know he is a world class free role AMC for 4-2-3-1 teams. But simply he does not fit in FC Barcelona because of a different system and because of quality of other players.

I think the same as you. If we can sell Cesc for 30-35 million €, let's sell him for everyone's good. We can buy a world class CB with that money and give Thiago more playing time. In the future, we will also have to give minutes for Samper and Sergi Roberto. For those who says that Cesc is a la masia kid and deserves patience, I have a question. Aren't Thiago, Samper, Sergi Roberto la masia graduate?

 

[Stric]

He can't "grab a position and make it his own" because in whichever positions he plays, he's always replacing one of the best players in the world: Messi, Iniesta or Xavi. You can't really expect him to overtake any of those positions now. The club made a good (although difficult to grasp at first) decision to buy him. You need to look further than last season or this season to understand why. Cesc's market price is the same now as it was in his last years in Arsenal, and will probably only go up in the next few years.

 

[Michael]

He can't "grab a position and make it his own" because in whichever positions he plays, he's always replacing one of the best players in the world: Messi, Iniesta or Xavi. You can't really expect him to overtake any of those positions now.

Maybe not overtake those positions, but for €40m you'd expect a player that can at least be used without the level of the team dropping considerably. These days you get the feeling that he has been shifted to false nine because that is the position he does the least harm to the team (!)

I agree with Besiktas. This was a political signing, not a footballing one. But it's not a disaster; we should be able to get most of the money back since he's still young and high profile. It's for the best really, since Cesc's career is also being wasted at the moment.

 

[Gaudi]

His main problem is speed or lack of it. But what's worrying is the fact he still didn't blend in complety. Xavi isn't fast but he is always on ball, always has solutions, Cesc doesn't.
For me he was bought to replace Xavi and he should play there, so no false 9 or skilled footwork like Andres, just keep fluidity with passing adn keep the ball moving.

 

[damunk]

Maybe not overtake those positions, but for €40m you'd expect a player that can at least be used without the level of the team dropping considerably. These days you get the feeling that he has been shifted to false nine because that is the position he does the least harm to the team (!)

I agree with Besiktas. This was a political signing, not a footballing one. But it's not a disaster; we should be able to get most of the money back since he's still young and high profile. It's for the best really, since Cesc's career is also being wasted at the moment.

This isn't sheep transfers. This guy has feelings. It would mentally destroy him leaving this golden Barcelona team.

Barcelona won't sell him. They know how much it means to him.

He's actually a good finisher. I worry more about Alves. That guy is a defensive night mare lol.

 

[Daisymorr]

I'm not Cesc's biggest fan so tend to get on his case abut but I would have much preferred to sign Eden hazard 2 years ago than fabregas. Firstly hazard brings an unpredictability to the attack, Cesc's often is Easily figured out against the better team (in europe) and then subbed of early. Hazard can dribble commit people with speed and open up room for messi. Hazard would have been perfect Villa replacement at LW. For Cesc's position I think isco or even cazorla does much of the same as Cesc's at half the price...
Neymar would be an exciting signing but I'm still not convinced how good he is despite his crazy rep in brazil.

 

[FiReFTW]

After all these victory days, club had failed to stop Cesc saga. Pique, Xavi, Reina all had wanted this transfer. A player of a club should not share his ideas about a possible transfer. We have bought Cesc because the return of the homeboy story was selling in that days. Pique and Xavi are really guilty in this transfer. Transfers should not be made by emotional reasons. They should be made by the needs of the team. Buying a 35-40 mil midfielder is a luxory when you have Xavi, Iniesta and Thiago. Instead of this transfer, we could have bought a first class CB. Barcelona is not a social club. Does it? Pique should know this. Xavi should know this.

Was the club needing Cesc for around 40 mil? NO. After two years, we can obviously see that we do not need him. I do not say that Cesc is a bad player. I know he is a world class free role AMC for 4-2-3-1 teams. But simply he does not fit in FC Barcelona because of a different system and because of quality of other players.

I think the same as you. If we can sell Cesc for 30-35 million €, let's sell him for everyone's good. We can buy a world class CB with that money and give Thiago more playing time. In the future, we will also have to give minutes for Samper and Sergi Roberto. For those who says that Cesc is a la masia kid and deserves patience, I have a question. Aren't Thiago, Samper, Sergi Roberto la masia graduate?

I agree with most of this.

 

[loozy]

Who wants to buy a player for money like this when he does not want to leave? Barca cannot force a transfer if the lad wants to stay.

And given how badly he wanted to return to Barca, I cannot see him agreeing to a transfer any time soon.

 

[Flavia]

He won't be sold. Maybe in 8, 10 years, to play one last season at arsenal. Before that, it's not happening.