Champions League 2022/2023
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FC B
Senior Member
It's rather "mister Marketing".
2-5 isnt really fair for Liverpool. Pool started really well and for a time looked like their old self. They deserved their lead and I thought it was going to end up like 3-0 or 4-0. But.... something happened. They after Madrid levelled, Liverpool just lost their cool and allowed Real to take the reigns and expose their rhytmn on them. Everyone knows about the supposed "DNA" Real is supposed to have in this competition. But that cannot explain it all. Make no mistake about it... This is not in any way a top Real Madrid side. This is an unbalanced team of old, semi-washed up players and young second-rate talent. The only player who might be (or become) truely world-class is Vinicius. Other than him, this is a shell of that 2014-2018 vintage. Liverpool are in an urgent need of a rebuild, yes, but that doesnt explain everything. This game was one of the most fucked-up, fluekiest, inexplainable, absurd and punch-drunk games I've ever seen. On another day it could have ended 5-1.... for Liverpool! I've lost for words.
FC B
Senior Member
Would be too much and too soon after the last season of CL, particularly if we look at the manner they won it.
CatalinR10
Senior Member
Yeah , sure you do.
They really are RM's bitches.
Shame.
That has literally nothing to do with it, we were simply shit in the mid 2000s, a meme in Europe, has nothing to to with "elite" teams, whatever that even means.
We beat plenty of great teams last decade on our way to the UCL anyway.
Gaudi
Senior Member
Yes, they do some weird voodo magic in CL, but not everything can be just down to luck. Mentality, bravery and brains is what they have. Small detail:
If we went down 2:0 in then minutes we would fall appart
If, after going down, we (through some pure luck) got back to the game like RM did we would stop at 2:2 and probably loose 3:2 at the end and then complicate everything in the second leg. They smelled blood and went for the jugular in the first game. They know Lpool is not much worse than them and why play another 50-50 game in Madrid when you can destroy them right now.
If we went down 2:0 in then minutes we would fall appart
If, after going down, we (through some pure luck) got back to the game like RM did we would stop at 2:2 and probably loose 3:2 at the end and then complicate everything in the second leg. They smelled blood and went for the jugular in the first game. They know Lpool is not much worse than them and why play another 50-50 game in Madrid when you can destroy them right now.
FC B
Senior Member
Voodoo stuff and dark arts
it's called mentality
Mentality, luck, refereeing errors always on their side when it matters the most.
El Gato
Villarato!
Folk proper weird complaining how much extrinsic factors decide the Madrid wins. The bare minimum is to persevere in face of adversity. Most teams nowadays cant do that bar very few as been conditioned to think negatively of themselves in general (i.e. I conceded/made mistakes therefore I'm shit etc).
Other than RM doing it on the regular to set standard, there aren't all that many comebacks and nobody is a massive specialist.
Pool vs Barca
Roma vs Barca
Barca vs PSG
Real spoiling Juve and Chelsea
RM is so reactive that it almost benefits them to let opponents score as, predictably, nobody seems to hold nerve in the CL enough to react to RM turning tide and having momentum in their favour. You can dislike it, I can dislike it, but it works. RM players thrive in that, in silencing opposing crowd away and riding a wave of support at Bernabeu as they watch others piss their pants. It's on other teams to realise the trend and come up with a way to stop it. Pool just not good enough. In 13/14 Atleti did basically same thing when scored early and did everything correctly until 92:46 even though there was the air of inevitability about RM scoring. In a way, Pep got the closest to stopping it as City scored very late in the tie last year to widen the gap to 2 goals with 10-20 mins left to play. Somebody will eventually do it or RM will fall on own sword and get too overconfident on their own ability to do remontadas on recurring basis. So far not looking like it. Folk like Jammy can talk all the way how last year was 'freak win' and it wont repeat. We'll see. So far we're seeing it's as much a freak win as it is EPL + PSG sides having poor awareness how to stop RM who have clearly identified a recipe of playing the tie in a way they're comfortable with. And it could repeat.
I genuinely think because there is no clear favourite that's far ahead of everyone else, it effectively makes RM the favourite to win. Especially since squad is now deeper than last year even if Benzema poorer scoring season.
As for errors Barca benefitted often enough in their hayday too, as did other teams. And before anyone complains how there was a balance of decisions going both ways, it doesnt really matter, it's part of the game. Argument only ever normally used out of frustration and insecurity of some Cules and reactionary fans alike who seek conspiracies. Real also got done over a barrel (i.e. Higuain goal disallowed in 2nd leg 10/11 over Masche dive when in a comeback dynamic) and had terrible luck (pens vs Bayern). Doesn't mean much.
Other than RM doing it on the regular to set standard, there aren't all that many comebacks and nobody is a massive specialist.
Pool vs Barca
Roma vs Barca
Barca vs PSG
Real spoiling Juve and Chelsea
RM is so reactive that it almost benefits them to let opponents score as, predictably, nobody seems to hold nerve in the CL enough to react to RM turning tide and having momentum in their favour. You can dislike it, I can dislike it, but it works. RM players thrive in that, in silencing opposing crowd away and riding a wave of support at Bernabeu as they watch others piss their pants. It's on other teams to realise the trend and come up with a way to stop it. Pool just not good enough. In 13/14 Atleti did basically same thing when scored early and did everything correctly until 92:46 even though there was the air of inevitability about RM scoring. In a way, Pep got the closest to stopping it as City scored very late in the tie last year to widen the gap to 2 goals with 10-20 mins left to play. Somebody will eventually do it or RM will fall on own sword and get too overconfident on their own ability to do remontadas on recurring basis. So far not looking like it. Folk like Jammy can talk all the way how last year was 'freak win' and it wont repeat. We'll see. So far we're seeing it's as much a freak win as it is EPL + PSG sides having poor awareness how to stop RM who have clearly identified a recipe of playing the tie in a way they're comfortable with. And it could repeat.
I genuinely think because there is no clear favourite that's far ahead of everyone else, it effectively makes RM the favourite to win. Especially since squad is now deeper than last year even if Benzema poorer scoring season.
As for errors Barca benefitted often enough in their hayday too, as did other teams. And before anyone complains how there was a balance of decisions going both ways, it doesnt really matter, it's part of the game. Argument only ever normally used out of frustration and insecurity of some Cules and reactionary fans alike who seek conspiracies. Real also got done over a barrel (i.e. Higuain goal disallowed in 2nd leg 10/11 over Masche dive when in a comeback dynamic) and had terrible luck (pens vs Bayern). Doesn't mean much.
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Clasico record was surprisingly even against Lucho, but then EV came along, was just no way to beat him.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
Because 14/15, 15/16, and 16/17 were RM's peak years when you combine CL + LL performance (RM had 90+ league points all 3 seasons)
1-3 RM
2-1 Barca
4-0 Barca
1-2 RM
1-1
3-2 Barca
3 W, 2 L, 1 D in favor of Barca with 12 - 9 (+3) GD.
So even at your absolute best, Barca were still better H2H.
Other teams just don't know how to play you
serghei
Senior Member
You didn't. MSN Barca, Pep Barca, 2008 and 2009 United, Heynckes Bayern. Those are great teams, full of elite players of the quality of your main core, or even higher. Barely faced any of them, you faced only Pep Barca of that class and got beaten.
It's normal though, teams of a very high caliber don't appear often, maybe once a decade or even rarer.
Atletico, Juve, faded versions of Bayern... some oil clubs, not sure you can count those as great teams.
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