Champions League 23/24

Who will win CL this season?


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Birdy

Senior Member
BTW wise comment seen elsewhere

System coaches (like De Zerbi and many others) make bad players look average, average players look good, good players look great, great players look good

This is why Terzic will likely succeed but to a point
And why all these trendy frauds will fail

Ah genius take!
So if a system coach who makes the average look good is destined to fail,
then all teams should be in for the coach who lets the average be average, as he is destined to succeed right?
:lol:
 

Temptation

Well-known member
BTW wise comment seen elsewhere

System coaches (like De Zerbi and many others) make bad players look average, average players look good, good players look great, great players look good

This is why Terzic will likely succeed but to a point
And why all these trendy frauds will fail
Yup. Just better to hire average managers and the refs like Madrid do. Problem solved.
 

companyofcules

Well-known member
Absolutely,

Because he changed their mentality above all.
I have analyzed it plenty.
Before him their fans had a problem playing shitty.
Only Mourinho managed to de-guilt that from the mentality fanbase, so now they are content with winning no matter how
You are young lol They played nasty football before and Hala was flowing
No their only problem was them not winning and Barca murdering them.
RM are plastics by definition the whole point is the Wikipedia page, except the 30-33 years old fans who got some galacticos time
 

Morten

Senior Member
They were Round of 16 merchants before he arrived. He changed the mentality of the squad and the club. Not many people remember this, but he brought Modric and suggested Bale.


They lost in penalties to Bayern in a heartbreaking manner.

He told madridistas at the time to be patient with Modric, and that they would come to love him.
Certainly right about that one.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Coaches should just manage egos, set a basic tactical plan, allow the attacking players to Develop their own chemistry.

Get some luck, always better to be lucky than good, not even joking I mean that.

And you'll win a shit top of CL.

The Carlo way, the Madrid way, it works, proof is in the pudding.
 
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Hamzah

High Definition Member
Also perez learned from his first reign. Did laporta?

The only good thing about barca these days is the youth prospects, but they only coke through because of necessity, not soke genius of laporta’s planning. He would overpay for a 30 year old player if he had the chance.
 

Devils

Senior Member
Also perez learned from his first reign. Did laporta?

The only good thing about barca these days is the youth prospects, but they only coke through because of necessity, not soke genius of laporta’s planning. He would overpay for a 30 year old player if he had the chance.

Laporta's Presidency has been nothing short of a circus so far and arguably more publicly humiliating than Barto's.

So no.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Also perez learned from his first reign. Did laporta?

The only good thing about barca these days is the youth prospects, but they only coke through because of necessity, not soke genius of laporta’s planning. He would overpay for a 30 year old player if he had the chance.
Its a tough comparison, Perez didn't come back the 2nd time around, and had to lead with one hand tied behind his back.

But gotta give it to him, he's killing it, only team capable of competing with Madrid is a healthy Barcelona, because there is more dislike in those ties, than fear.

But barto the inside agent made sure that's not possible.

He had Madrid running away with things when barto was in change, not a coincidence.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
You are young lol They played nasty football before and Hala was flowing
No their only problem was them not winning and Barca murdering them.
RM are plastics by definition the whole point is the Wikipedia page, except the 30-33 years old fans who got some galacticos time

I am not young.
I have been watching ball since 1994 WC. Everything happened afterwards I have watched, and after 97 or 98 I have very clear memories of everything,
and I remember Madrid sacking TWICE title winning manager Capello (1997 and 2007) because of the football he played. And Madrid fans waiving white hankerchiefs for him TWICE because of his football.

"Real president Ramon Calderon told Marca newspaper: 'We've laid the foundations, but we need to find a more enthusiastic way of playing'."
"I began to realise that the plan of Capello did not fit in with what the fans of Madrid expected."
"the good results aren't enough"
"We want to return to the spectacle that excites the Madridista members.""
Source 1, 2

(other historical examples as well, for instance Antic)

No accident that all that changed with Mourinho. Barca's best team in history was the best excuse Mou needed to assert to their fanbase the different philosophy he wanted.
Yes, they are ABSOLUTELY PLASTIC, because they were so easy to change mindset.
Madrid since Mou have the same philosophy as Juventus, which was always winning no matter how
The definition of being plastic
 
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serghei

Senior Member
I am not young.
I have been watching ball since 1994 WC. Everything happened afterwards I have watched, and after 97 or 98 I have very clear memories of everything,
and I remember Madrid sacking TWICE title winning manager Capello (1997 and 2007) because of the football he played. And Madrid fans waiving white hankerchiefs for him TWICE because of his football.

"Real president Ramon Calderon told Marca newspaper: 'We've laid the foundations, but we need to find a more enthusiastic way of playing'."
"I began to realise that the plan of Capello did not fit in with what the fans of Madrid expected."
"the good results aren't enough"
"We want to return to the spectacle that excites the Madridista members.""
Source 1, 2

No accident that all that changed with Mourinho. Barca's best team in history was the best excuse Mou needed to assert to their fanbase the different philosophy he wanted.
Yes, they are ABSOLUTELY PLASTIC, because they were so easy to change mindset.
Madrid since Mou have the same philosophy as Juventus, which was always winning no matter how
The definition of being plastic

There goes your last excuse...
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Madrid since Mou have the same philosophy as Juventus, which was always winning no matter how
The definition of being plastic
Someone else might disagree and say: that's not a definition of being plastic but being smart and living in the real world.

On the other hand, what Barca is doing with sticking to some romantic principles (which obviously aren't working too well) might be called as being young and naive.

One team is winning for 30 years.
The other team (or a fanbase) is trying to find 1000s of excuses why their loses are hollier and better than the wins from the other club.
 

Temptation

Well-known member
Someone else might disagree and say: that's not a definition of being plastic but being smart and living in the real world.

On the other hand, what Barca is doing with sticking to some romantic principles (which obviously aren't working too well) might be called as being young and naive.

One team is winning for 30 years.
The other team (or a fanbase) is trying to find 1000s of excuses why their loses are hollier and better than the wins from the other club.
Welcome back to the forum old man.
 

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