Champions League 23/24

Who will win CL this season?

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Messigician

Messigician

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Hamzah said:
Probably. Btw all this stuff about mbappe disrupting their dressing room and bringing down madrid from some fans is delusional coping. The other thing is mbappe is the perfect player against barca.
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Flick’s high line against mbappe

At least will be comedy
 
Messigician

Messigician

Senior Member
⚪️🏆 “What do you think about this Champions League?”.

Florentino Pérez: “I think that we are already focused on the next one. We want the 16th”.

Unreal winning mentality
 
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FC B

FC B

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Birdy said:
I am not young.
I have been watching ball since 1994 WC. Everything happened afterwards I have watched, and after 97 or 98 I have very clear memories of everything,
and I remember Madrid sacking TWICE title winning manager Capello (1997 and 2007) because of the football he played. And Madrid fans waiving white hankerchiefs for him TWICE because of his football.

"Real president Ramon Calderon told Marca newspaper: 'We've laid the foundations, but we need to find a more enthusiastic way of playing'."
"I began to realise that the plan of Capello did not fit in with what the fans of Madrid expected."
"the good results aren't enough"
"We want to return to the spectacle that excites the Madridista members.""
Source 1, 2

(other historical examples as well, for instance Antic)

No accident that all that changed with Mourinho. Barca's best team in history was the best excuse Mou needed to assert to their fanbase the different philosophy he wanted.
Yes, they are ABSOLUTELY PLASTIC, because they were so easy to change mindset.
Madrid since Mou have the same philosophy as Juventus, which was always winning no matter how
The definition of being plastic
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Just like most of their fans if not all who support that club not for what it is and how they play but for trophies, that alone is a defenition of a plastic fan.
 
El Gato

El Gato

Villarato!
Got our resident Stoichkov chiming in about people being plastic, yet he's the last person to be described as a fan of his own club you could ever imagine
 
BBZ8800

BBZ8800

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Birdy said:
I am not imposing anything on anyone.
I gave you historical examples of how and WHEN mentality of Madrid fanbase changed.
I gave you REAL QUOTES that contradict what you write. Go READ
If you choose to ignore that, it is your problem

It is probably you, who are too young, and have watched Madrid only after 2009, and believe such stuff.
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With that logic, we are the same as Real since we changed our philosophy two times.

In the 70s when Rinus Michels came, we started to adopt Dutch style of football.

And in the 1990 under Cruijff, we went full on Dutch football.

Tldr:
1. Real change their philosophy when needed (to improve themselves) to win trophies = they are bad guys

2. Barca change their philosophy from a random football style to Dutch football and gain success = Barca are good guys in your eyes

The only difference is that Barca upgraded their philosophy to a level 2 (attacking football with Dutch principles), while Real has done the same, but with 18 different upgrades/patches.

This is why Real won 15 CLs or 8 in the last 40 years, and Barca won 1 title ever without Messi's impact.

The real question is: are Barca heroes and good guys here?
Or do we need an upgrade?

Also, you could easily put us under the saying: insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

When something is not working = Barca does it the same again.
When something is not working for Real = they upgrade their ideas.

It's a matter of taste.
Are we true to ourselves?
Or are we just dellusional, too emotional and stuck in the past?

Real has won half of their CL trophies when they weren't the better team due to their cautious and counterattacking approach.
And when has Barca won the CL as the weaker team?
= NEVER

We can win it only in the absolute perfect circumstances with no injuries, no unlucky goals, no ref's mistakes.
And when we are by far the best team in the tournament.

On the other hand, Real can win in 100s of different scenarios because they are flexible and they have upgraded their approach 18 times.

Again, unlike us.
We have one upgrade in 1990' and we aren't changing.
= always try to attack as if there is no tomorrow.

The funny thing is, one of the rare titles without Messi, in 2006', came with more cautious approach by Rijkaard when we won against Chelsea and Milan in RM's style with very cautious approach.
With players like Van Bommel, Edmilson, Motta playing in midfield.
 
Messigician

Messigician

Senior Member
BBZ8800 said:
With that logic, we are the same as Real since we changed our philosophy two times.

In the 70s when Rinus Michels came, we started to adopt Dutch style of football.

And in the 1990 under Cruijff, we went full on Dutch football.

Tldr:
1. Real change their philosophy when needed (to improve themselves) to win trophies = they are bad guys

2. Barca change their philosophy from a random football style to Dutch football and gain success = Barca are good guys in your eyes

The only difference is that Barca upgraded their philosophy to a level 2 (attacking football with Dutch principles), while Real has done the same, but with 18 different upgrades/patches.

This is why Real won 15 CLs or 8 in the last 40 years, and Barca won 1 title ever without Messi's impact.

The real question is: are Barca heroes and good guys here?
Or do we need an upgrade?

Also, you could easily put us under the saying: insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

When something is not working = Barca does it the same again.
When something is not working for Real = they upgrade their ideas.

It's a matter of taste.
Are we true to ourselves?
Or are we just dellusional, too emotional and stuck in the past?

Real has won half of their CL trophies when they weren't the better team due to their cautious and counterattacking approach.
And when has Barca won the CL as the weaker team?
= NEVER

We can win it only in the absolute perfect circumstances with no injuries, no unlucky goals, no ref's mistakes.
And when we are by far the best team in the tournament.

On the other hand, Real can win in 100s of different scenarios because they are flexible and they have upgraded their approach 18 times.

Again, unlike us.
We have one upgrade in 1990' and we aren't changing.
= always try to attack as if there is no tomorrow.

The funny thing is, one of the rare titles without Messi, in 2006', came with more cautious approach by Rijkaard when we won against Chelsea and Milan in RM's style with very cautious approach.
With players like Van Bommel, Edmilson, Motta playing in midfield.
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This is just a difference in football philosophy

Barca DNA is nonsense vs football Cruyfista purists Setien
 
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mc_lovin

Senior Member
Yeah, let's talk philosophy when Barto the war criminal spend 500m on three bums, gave fat contracts to the likes of Lenglet and crippled the club for a decade or two.

Only thing that keeps us above water is La Masia.
 
FC B

FC B

Senior Member
Sadly, this CL edition marks the first in VAR era in which Madrid got away with murder, aka refereeing "mistakes", ofc always in their favour. Leipzig games, Bayern return leg and the final.

Since 2019 when VAR was implemented in CL, there were no more refereeing scandals involving Madrid in CL and therefore only one CL won for them in that time span. It seems to me they finally "adapted" to VAR in CL and it took them quite a while to do so.

Hopefully we won't see a repeat of what we saw back in the last years without the VAR system in CL (2016-2018) in which Madrid had the season and the refereeing scandals always for them and never against them and in the end the win of the trophy, season after season.
 
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fergus90

fergus90

Senior Member
After 2011 when it was 9 Champions Leagues to 4, you certainly thought it was possible that Barca could get to second place in the most titles won within the next decade.

Incredible how the situation actually turned out.
 
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