Champions League 23/24

[BBZ8800]

Yeah, let's talk philosophy when Barto the war criminal spend 500m on three bums, gave fat contracts to the likes of Lenglet and crippled the club for a decade or two.

Only thing that keeps us above water is La Masia.

Real bought Hazard for 120, James for 80, Jovic for 66, then a weird guy Bale.

Still won 6 CLs in the last 11 years.

But as said before, that's Barca vs Real.

We can win only when we have the best generation ever.
They can win with average squads.

We can win only when we have 2-3 seasons of perfect transfers, like in 2006' or 2011'.
They can win without Cr7, Bale, Benzema, or a few years after Hazard's and Jovic's transfers.

We always have excuses.
Someone else is always guilty, it's never our philosophy's fault.

On the other hand, you could ask a question: what if our philosophy is like Jose Mourinho?
= it both worked wonders in one moment in time.
It was new, it was fresh, it was awesome.
Eventually, everyone took the best parts from those two and added their own, new ideas. And the football moved on, with some new ideas, and new ways of winning.

Yet, Barca and Mou got stuck in time and never evolved after their glory days.

Let me guess: Mou is also never guilty in his head, right?
He still thinks that he is the special one, the best.

The same as us.
Ask an average Barca fan is there a better way of playing/philosophy than ours?

Also, you can look at Barca vs Real approaches this way:
Barca won 1-2 CLs ever without Messi in the team.
Real has won 15 CLs wuthout Messi in the team.

We can win only when everything is perfect or when we have Messi.
Can you imagine Barca winning CLs with someone like Rodrigo in attack? I can't.

 

[Horatio]

What grade would you give Camavinga?

Not extraordinary, but not any obvious mistakes for you to pounce on either, otherwise i'm sure you would have pointed them all out already.

I didn’t watch game my man. Was swimming in waterfall ponds.

But let’s not change my original claim gradually over time,as to not have it get noticed, to win the debate. I never said he’s +]^{e. I said madridistas overhyped him in first season and attributed qualities to him that he doesn’t have. Not extraordinary is what MY CLAIM was.

 

[Nucky]

Real bought Hazard for 120, James for 80, Jovic for 66, then a weird guy Bale.

Still won 6 CLs in the last 11 years.

But as said before, that's Barca vs Real.

We can win only when we have the best generation ever.
They can win with average squads.

We can win only when we have 2-3 seasons of perfect transfers, like in 2006' or 2011'.
They can win without Cr7, Bale, Benzema, or a few years after Hazard's and Jovic's transfers.

We always have excuses.
Someone else is always guilty, it's never our philosophy's fault.

On the other hand, you could ask a question: what if our philosophy is like Jose Mourinho?
= it both worked wonders in one moment in time.
It was new, it was fresh, it was awesome.
Eventually, everyone took the best parts from those two and added their own, new ideas. And the football moved on, with some new ideas, and new ways of winning.

Yet, Barca and Mou got stuck in time and never evolved after their glory days.

Let me guess: Mou is also never guilty in his head, right?
He still thinks that he is the special one, the best.

The same as us.
Ask an average Barca fan is there a better way of playing/philosophy than ours?

Also, you can look at Barca vs Real approaches this way:
Barca won 1-2 CLs ever without Messi in the team.
Real has won 15 CLs wuthout Messi in the team.

We can win only when everything is perfect or when we have Messi.
Can you imagine Barca winning CLs with someone like Rodrigo in attack? I can't.

You couldn't said it better.. The key word is mentality wich we lack.. If we had just 50% of mentality Real Madrid has when playing Champions League we would be 2nd most successfull team by now, surpassing Milan with 7 titles.. Like you said we have to wait for golden generation to win for some european glory again, till then we can be happy if we win La Liga or Copa Del Rey, have no bussiness in Europe for many years..

 

[weloveyuner]

I can't believe it's been 9 years since Barcelona last won the Champions League; really puts things into perspective.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

I can't believe it's been 9 years since Barcelona last won the Champions League; really puts things into perspective.

Next year is our year

 

[NKMaribor]

Next year is our year

Conference league awaits.😝

 

[Devils]

I can't believe it's been 9 years since Barcelona last won the Champions League; really puts things into perspective.

And it will be 10 years before Barca get the chance to win it again.

Let's be real though. Next season:

-Ter-Stegen, who is a serial loser and specialist in failure, will still be our starting GK and likely the captain of this team.
-Lewa will the starting ST
-We will be without a world class DM
-Cubarsi and Yamal will still be starters even though they are just teenagers and should only be options off the bench.
-There will be little to no quality off the bench or impact subs.

I think Barca fans will need to prepare for the 12-15 year mark before realistically competing for a CL again.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

cl team of the season

Maatsen - Hummels - Rüdiger - Carvajal

Vitinha- ham- Sabitzer

Vini - Kane - Foden

x.com

x.com

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Vini was voted as cl player of the season

Raphi became second to Fede for the goal of the cl (Fede goal vs city, Raphi goal against psg away)

 

[Morten]

Vini was voted as cl player of the season

Raphi became second to Fede for the goal of the cl (Fede goal vs city, Raphi goal against psg away)

Well deserved, and the team looks pretty okay, though Kroos could have gotten into that midfield imo, but its fine.

 

[L3v1s]

I can't believe it's been 9 years since Barcelona last won the Champions League; really puts things into perspective.

Makes me think that Barcelona's golden generation has underachieved, considering it was arguably the greatest team in history in almost every aspect of the game. It is what it is...

 

[soul24rage]

Makes me think that Barcelona's golden generation has underachieved, considering it was arguably the greatest team in history in almost every aspect of the game. It is what it is...

I agree. imo, we could have achieved more if Pep stayed with us. His time as Barca coach was too short.

Unfortunately, our club is too political to make this job harder than normal for any managers.

We need to trust in La Masia for the time being.

 

[KingLeo10]

Makes me think that Barcelona's golden generation has underachieved, considering it was arguably the greatest team in history in almost every aspect of the game. It is what it is...

4 CLs and 6 LL in 9 years from 06-15 isn't underachieving

People always forget one thing about sports. It is tougher for the person/team setting the standard, because you don't know how much is good enough. RM had a very clear objective/goal post to surpass our 06-15 success (in terms of trophies) and they equalled it/slightly surpassed it (more CL, less LL)

 

[L3v1s]

I agree. imo, we could have achieved more if Pep stayed with us. His time as Barca coach was too short.

Unfortunately, our club is too political to make this job harder than normal for any managers.

We need to trust in La Masia for the time being.

It was indeed too short, considering that Messi&Iniesta were both in their prime, Xavi had a few more years aswell. But then again, weren't there discussions that the Barca job was too "tiring"? I remember Pep also had some sort of fallout with the board because he wanted to get rid of some players, like replace Pique with Hummels or Kompany. But who really knows perhaps it was a mix of everything.

4 CLs and 6 LL in 9 years from 06-15 isn't underachieving

People always forget one thing about sports. It is tougher for the person/team setting the standard, because you don't know how much is good enough. RM had a very clear objective/goal post to surpass our 06-15 success (in terms of trophies) and they equalled it/slightly surpassed it (more CL, less LL)

For what that team was, I think they should've won atleast 2 more Champions Leagues titles. It's ridiculous how Madrid won the last 2 with lesser quality both game and squadwise.. Maybe I'm reactionary due to the last seasons failures. Prime Milan won 3 during the 80s-90s, so we managed to surpass that team. At the end, football is also about luck, and despite being the best team in the world for many seasons, there were also moments in which small details made the difference.

Overall, I'm thinking that perhaps we should've sold some of the players from that golden generation. It turned out later that this "amigos" mentality killed us.

 

[Messigician]

It was indeed too short, considering that Messi&Iniesta were both in their prime, Xavi had a few more years aswell. But then again, weren't there discussions that the Barca job was too "tiring"? I remember Pep also had some sort of fallout with the board because he wanted to get rid of some players, like replace Pique with Hummels or Kompany. But who really knows perhaps it was a mix of everything.


For what that team was, I think they should've won atleast 2 more Champions Leagues titles. It's ridiculous how Madrid won the last 2 with lesser quality both game and squadwise.. Maybe I'm reactionary due to the last seasons failures. Prime Milan won 3 during the 80s-90s, so we managed to surpass that team. At the end, football is also about luck, and despite being the best team in the world for many seasons, there were also moments in which small details made the difference.

Overall, I'm thinking that perhaps we should've sold some of the players from that golden generation. It turned out later that this "amigos" mentality killed us.

Nah we won the most dominant treble in history