Champions League Final 2009: FC Barcelona vs ManUtd: Champions of Europe!

Poor_Sunyol

In Lucho we trust!
Our defence is not crap, we just play no-fear football and you get caught out sometimes.

EDIT: Actually our defence is crap, I don't know why I have dragged myself into think otherwise (must be blind loyalty). We can't defend even if our lives depended on it. At corners we might as well just leave the whole of the defence at the half way line for all the use they do. We get caught out by the long ball because nobody in Spain would have the audacity to cheat their fans by playing that way and physiclly we can't compete against the shher athelticism of the EPL players.

The worst case senario is that ManUre score first in the final. All the neutrals will be praying that Barca take the lead and force ManUre to play as they can play (attacking football). In all honesty they do play good football and it should be a final to remember.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Our defence is not crap, we just play no-fear football and you get caught out sometimes.

EDIT: Actually our defence is crap, I don't know why I have dragged myself into think otherwise (must be blind loyalty). We can't defend even if our lives depended on it. At corners we might as well just leave the whole of the defence at the half way line for all the use they do. We get caught out by the long ball because nobody in Spain would have the audacity to cheat their fans by playing that way and physiclly we can't compete against the shher athelticism of the EPL players.

The worst case senario is that ManUre score first in the final. All the neutrals will be praying that Barca take the lead and force ManUre to play as they can play (attacking football). In all honesty they do play good football and it should be a final to remember.

Chelsea also scored first and I don`t see them in the final. However.. Should Barca score first it`s: goodnight Alex
 

Beast

The Observer
Seven ways to lose a European Cup final

Thursday 21 May 2009 10:00
1. Turn the match into a holy war
Johan Cruyff had a messianic streak as a manager. And in 1994, as his Barcelona dream team reached their second European Cup final in three years, he was rash enough to bill the contest, against Fabio Capello’s AC Milan, as a battle for the soul of European football.

Attack vs defence, romance vs pragmatism, flair vs efficiency, good guys vs bad guys. If Milan won, Cruyff suggested, it would be the death of football.

Cruyff may have hoped such rhetoric would unbalance the opposition by enraging them. All it really did was ensue that such gifted professionals as Maldini, Boban, Donadoni, Massaro, Savicevic and Desailly were truly motivated.

Cruyff was so busy casting the final as a jihad he was undone by Capello’s surprisingly attacking game plan. By the 47th minute, when Savicevic lobbed Zubizarreta to make it 3-0, the contest was over.

Two trophyless years later, Cruyff was ousted from Camp Nou. His exit was a disgrace but his messianic conviction (“Before I make that mistake I do not make that mistake”) hadn’t always done his players any favours.

2. Misunderestimate the opposition
The build up to a game as historic as a European Cup final is so tricky that even the masters can get it wrong.

Researching the 1970 Feyenoord vs Celtic final for the latest issue of Champions, I was astonished to discover that even the great Jock Stein could be caught out by the occasion.

Stein’s Celtic had thrilled Europe in 1967 with their demolition of Inter in Lisbon. But at Inter’s ground, the San Siro, his team came unstuck against Ernst Happel’s Feyenoord.

This defeat is such a sore point its causes are still being debated. Stein maintained that too many of his players had a bad night. Most of his players thought Stein had kept the build-up too low key and underestimated the Dutch champions.

Just as Inter coach Helenio Herrera had done in 1967, Stein set out his team in their usual way. As his players took to the pitch, his suggestion that the Feyenoord team would be “sh*tting themselves” rang in their ears.

But Feyenoord’s Austrian coach Ernst Happel did for Stein. Celtic, Happel said, did one thing better than anybody else: attack. Stop them attacking and you could beat them. Feyenoord did just that.

They triple marked Jimmy Johnstone, slowed the game’s tempo so much that Celtic could find no rhythm and then played some fine attacking football, deservedly winning 2-1 in extra-time. No Scottish side has made the European Cup final since.

3. Write your victory speech in advance
Bayern president Fritz Scherer did this in 1987, believing that this European Cup final would mark “the dawning of a great new era” for the club.

With 77 minutes gone, and Bayern 1-0 up, such confidence seemed well placed. But in three minutes, Bayern conceded twice – the equaliser that superb nonchalant back-heel by Rabah Madjer – and lost the final. Scherer ripped up his speech.

4. Be outfoxed at half-time
Rafa Benitez isn’t the only manager to turn a final with a half-time switcheroo. In 1962, Benfica returned to the dressing room 3-2 down to Real Madrid.

But their coach Beta Guttman just told Cavem to mark Alfredo Di Stefano in the second half, cutting off the supply to Ferenc Puskas, who had already scored a hat-trick. The ploy worked. Benfica won the second half 3-1 and the game 5-3.

5. Concede the initiative
Liverpool’s return from the living dead in Istanbul wasn’t just remarkable because it was the only time a team has comeback from 3-0 down to win a European Cup final.

Even more amazingly, this resurrection happened against Milan, a club with a glorious tradition of winning the European Cup so swiftly and mercilessly their shell-shocked opponents are left wondering ‘what just happened?’

In 1969, under Nereo Rocco, the Rossoneri abandoned the catenaccio that had stifled Manchester United in the semi-final, to shock Rinus Michels’ talented young Ajax side, going 2-0 up after 39 minutes and restoring their two goal margin in the 67th minute.

They did the same against Steaua (in 1990) and Barcelona (in 1994). Bizarrely, Inter and Juventus, who faced Ajax in the 1972 and 1973 finals, ignored Rocco’s successful attacking game-plan, stuck to counter and catenaccio and were comprehensively outplayed.

6. Be caught out tactically
There’s a lot to be said for approaching a final – as Barcelona will almost certainly do – with the attitude that: this is who we are, this is how we play and let the other team worry about us.

The risk is that the opposing coach will worry so much they find a way of beating you.

Happel did just that against Giovanni Trapattoni’s Juve in 1983 to win the European Cup for a second time with Hamburg. He simply switched his Danish striker Lars Bastrup to the left, so he would face Juve’s attacking full-back Antonio Cabrini.

Trap tried to neutralise this ploy by asking Claudio Gentile to follow Bastrup and man-mark him. That left a hole on the right which Marco Tardelli failed to cover and from which Felix Magath popped up to score the only goal.

When you watch the goal you can see, just before Magath’s great strike, a veritable prairie’s worth of space on that side of the pitch.

Stein’s demolition of Inter in 1967 was built on his use of attacking full-backs, the very weapon Herrera had perfected by schooling Giacinto Facchetti to bomb forward for the Nerazzurri.

And Milan’s victories in 1969 and 1994 were inspired by their coaches refusing to stick to the script as they set out their teams.

7. Go two goals down
In 53 European Cup finals, only three teams have recovered from a two goal deficit to win: Real Madrid (in 1956), Benfica (in 1962) and Liverpool (in 2005).

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Nice and true
 

gimmick

New member
I am going out on a limb here and say that barca will triumph 4-2. I can really see this being a very open game. How Barca attack John O Shea who will be plaing right back is key. An in form and fit Henry will make mince meat of him. Iniesta behind Henry, should pep line thme up that way, could really cause harm.

My main wondering is this - will Guardiloa decide to play 2 centre halves in position ie Puyol and Pique, in order to make such an important position as solid as possible, or spread his bets by playing Toure in the middle with Pique and Puyol on the right? Tough decisions.
 

Warik

New member
Ferguson promising a nice open game which will lead to a goal fest in the final. Which translating the British managerial English into something we all can understand means "We'll park 10 men behind the ball and hope to hit lucky on the counter. I can see it being a 0-0 bore draw going into penalties"
 

beef-supreme

Senior member
Our defence is not crap, we just play no-fear football and you get caught out sometimes.

EDIT: Actually our defence is crap, I don't know why I have dragged myself into think otherwise (must be blind loyalty). We can't defend even if our lives depended on it. At corners we might as well just leave the whole of the defence at the half way line for all the use they do. We get caught out by the long ball because nobody in Spain would have the audacity to cheat their fans by playing that way and physiclly we can't compete against the shher athelticism of the EPL players.

The worst case senario is that ManUre score first in the final. All the neutrals will be praying that Barca take the lead and force ManUre to play as they can play (attacking football). In all honesty they do play good football and it should be a final to remember.

Irrespective of whether or not our defense is crap, the right way to think about it is the following:

Top 4 EPL teams have great defenses but play retardedly defensive football in Europe.
Barca have a crap defense, and we play flowing, attacking football in Europe.
Crap defense or not, we still manage to win.
And the neutrals like us more because we win beautifully.

It is possible to play like Barca, and if EPL fans argue that they don't want to open up and get run over, well that's just a scaredy argument that shows that they're not good enough. They're good enough to play their defensive football, but not good enough to play proper football.
And in a sense, Barca aren't good enough to play defensive football, but certainly are good enough to play total, proper football.

Both tactics can earn results, but in the end both styles have their weaknesses. That's what makes football exciting, no matter how hard Chelsea try to prove that wrong.
 

beef-supreme

Senior member
Ferguson promising a nice open game which will lead to a goal fest in the final. Which translating the British managerial English into something we all can understand means "We'll park 10 men behind the ball and hope to hit lucky on the counter. I can see it being a 0-0 bore draw going into penalties"

:lol: So true.
 

gimmick

New member
With regard to the defense being crap - I would say that is only true against corners and free kicks dropped into the box. FFS, the Bilboas goal in the final last week was a prime example of how suspect Barca can be under a decent corner.
 

Heath Newton

New member
not sure where else to put this but i'll put in a few threads.

sky sports news (for those who can get it) are showing barca press conferences live from 5pm today.

:wave:
 

maz

I walk the line
Nice one. Thanks for letting me know.

Although no doubt it will be 3 minutes of a press conference in spanish and then 25 minutes of pictures from the press conference while the sky sports news readers talk about manchester united.
 

maz

I walk the line
Im not usually so cynical but ssn really are crap when it comes to these kind of things.
 

Warik

New member
If Messi is involved in the press conference they'll get the bloke they've sent out there to probably ask him stupid questions about 'his dream move' to Man City, or their anchors will abuse him as an 'infidel' against their holy saint Ronaldo also.

I hate Sky Sports News tbh.
 
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maz

I walk the line
The one thing that made me really cringe about sky sports (and when i say cringe i mean want to throw my shoe at the tv) was when geoff shreeves was interviewing cristiano ronaldo. Now ronaldo always calls a 0-0 draw "zero zero", so geoff shreeves in the most suck-up situation ive ever seen, opened the post-match interview with "so, cristiano, zero zero, do u think thats a fair reflection of the game". I almost puked. As if ronaldo doesnt understand the words "nil nil". Ugh.
 
S

Snyde

Guest
Irrespective of whether or not our defense is crap, the right way to think about it is the following:

Top 4 EPL teams have great defenses but play retardedly defensive football in Europe.
Barca have a crap defense, and we play flowing, attacking football in Europe.
Crap defense or not, we still manage to win.
And the neutrals like us more because we win beautifully.

It is possible to play like Barca, and if EPL fans argue that they don't want to open up and get run over, well that's just a scaredy argument that shows that they're not good enough. They're good enough to play their defensive football, but not good enough to play proper football.
And in a sense, Barca aren't good enough to play defensive football, but certainly are good enough to play total, proper football.

Both tactics can earn results, but in the end both styles have their weaknesses. That's what makes football exciting, no matter how hard Chelsea try to prove that wrong.
:goodpost:

Great post there beefy :p I always like your posts and this is top notch. You perfectly summed up how most cules feel about football. Keep it up!
 

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