Messigician
Senior Member
Eh look people hate PSG more these days. Real been kinda meh since Ronaldo left. Pay Fati's release clause and then we can get back to the good old days of pigs heads though
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Eh look people hate PSG more these days. Real been kinda meh since Ronaldo left. Pay Fati's release clause and then we can get back to the good old days of pigs heads though
JamDav1982
Senior Member
2005 Liverpool finished 5th in the league and were not a strong side.
Littered with average players. Teams now are far better.
It doesn't happen 5 times over 4 years
They weren't average. They were good. Just a tick short of elite.
Liverpool was good a couple of years later, when they sorted their team out, upgraded the midfield and forward-line, in 2005 it was a different story.
Luftstalag14
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Actually, I don’t want you guys to get both of them, one of them is enough.
El Gato
Villarato!
I mean I hate to take Jammy side but this is a slightly patchy position to take.
Pool 04-05 not even the same as years after. Even Dudek who had that mad game in Istanbul did a podcast last week and told stories how Houllier came down to dressing room after the 2005 CL win to take photos with players he assembled. To which Benitez 'took offense' and basically went and replaced 3/4 of the side, because he wanted to validate himself.
They weren't a joke in cups, but they weren't the same side either. And that 2005 side was comfortably worse than the followups despite some mad results leading up to the 2005 final.
serghei
Senior Member
There's no comparison.
Just checked the 2005 final stats. Possession 55-45. Shots, overall: 22-15, and on target 10-7. Milan were a bit better, but very competitive game.
Now should I put up stats from Bayern Chelsea in 2012? I will put just one. Shots 35 to 9.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Chelsea 2012 beat Peps Barca in semi and Bayern at home in final.
On paper looks amazing but doesnt make them a top side. Just as Liverpool were nowhere near one in 2005.
On paper looks amazing but doesnt make them a top side. Just as Liverpool were nowhere near one in 2005.
Liverpool gets an extra shot on target because of a penalty rebound.
So really, its more like 10-6 on target.
Not as outplayed as Chelsea, but still outplayed by a good margin.
serghei
Senior Member
Check the stats for the semis as well. Liverpool - Chelsea 1-0. Shots on target: 4-1 for Liverpool. So, basically Chelsea who knocked out Barca by scoring 4 against them were reduced to 1 shot on target by Liverpool on Anfield (https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/80760--liverpool-vs-chelsea/).
Let it go, just not an average team. As for their league form, Madrid finished 18 points behind Barca when they won CL. Some teams just focus better on Cup competitions.
Their attack wasn't great, sure, but their midfield and defense were among the best in Europe. They were like a better version of mid 2010s Atletico.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
Liverpool in league and the players they had show they were nowhere near a top team.
They were close to going out the CL in group stages then got some good results to win it but that is it.
Top teams dont finish 5th in the league and have a one of CL run like that.
There has been many instances of average sides making a one off run. That is all it was.
The next season they were third in league and out of CL in last 16.
They were close to going out the CL in group stages then got some good results to win it but that is it.
Top teams dont finish 5th in the league and have a one of CL run like that.
There has been many instances of average sides making a one off run. That is all it was.
The next season they were third in league and out of CL in last 16.
serghei
Senior Member
And the season after that they play the CL final, which kind of breaks your whole argument that it was a one-off. And in 2008 they play the semis again and lose in extra time vs Chelsea.
They played like 4 awesome ties with Chelsea in like 5 years. Winning 2 (2005, 2007) and losing 2 (2008, 2009). All close.
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Rassvet
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Pendu would have actually been perfect for them
KingLeo10
Senior Member
I actually had that same thought...brilliant decision for us he chose to go with Fred VDB and Matic instead.
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