Claudio Bravo

[zealot]

Did you watch him at sociedad? He is good with his feet, but average with his hands, nothing more. He also commits many blunders. This "fm" argument seems pretty dumb, I don't rate Bravo and never played it. Just have watched him enough. He's an improvement on Pinto, but not on Valdes.

You are most probably right Flavia. But what poncirus tried to say, in his lengthy posts, is actually to urge people to be fair and give the chance that Bravo probably deserves to be our starting GK. He is not an absolute trash of a GK ffs. Ter Stegen is still young, we need to give time to him to assimilate. We need to leave this to the coaching staffs.

But I guess what's the point of having a discussion forum if we can't bash the club's decisions eh?

Edit: Oh that lengthy post, actually I referred to post from BBZ8800 But anyway, my point stands.

 

[Flavia]

He is better with his hands than you give him credit for. A very good back up

How much credit do I give him? He is a good backup(albeit too expensive for one), I never said otherwise. But that's it. Not good enough to be Barça's 1st gk.

You are most probably right Flavia. But what poncirus tried to say, in his lengthy posts, is actually to urge people to be fair and give the chance that Bravo probably deserves to be our starting GK. He is not an absolute trash of a GK ffs. Ter Stegen is still young, we need to give time to him to assimilate. We need to leave this to the coaching staffs.

But I guess what's the point of having a discussion forum if we can't bash the club's decisions eh?

When Keylor Navas was available for 10m, getting Bravo wasn't the best decision. But that is done.

I don't think he is good enough to be Barça's starting gk. Valdes was miles better, with an occasional brainfart, and people gave him hell. Bravo's brainfarts are even more frequent. I hope he can do well if he's going to be a starter. MAtS is superior to him in everything but experience, though.

 

[DonAK]

You are most probably right Flavia. But what poncirus tried to say, in his lengthy posts, is actually to urge people to be fair and give the chance that Bravo probably deserves to be our starting GK. He is not an absolute trash of a GK ffs. Ter Stegen is still young, we need to give time to him to assimilate. We need to leave this to the coaching staffs.

But I guess what's the point of having a discussion forum if we can't bash the club's decisions eh?

Edit: Oh that lengthy post, actually I referred to post from BBZ8800 But anyway, my point stands.

People should be fair, yes. Bravo deserves to be the starter? How?

Need to give Ter Stegen time to settle down? Did Atletico wait for months before giving Courtois the chance? Did Man Utd do that to De Gea?

 

[Zangash]

People should be fair, yes. Bravo deserves to be the starter? How?

Need to give Ter Stegen time to settle down? Did Atletico wait for months before giving Courtois the chance? Did Man Utd do that to De Gea?

I don't even understand the logic behind such a statement. We're the only team yet to concede so much as a shot on target. One keeper being more experienced than another wouldn't mean anything there, but it would help ter Stegen integrate into the team.

 

[zealot]

How much credit do I give him? He is a good backup(albeit too expensive for one), I never said otherwise. But that's it. Not good enough to be Barça's 1st gk.



When Keylor Navas was available for 10m, getting Bravo wasn't the best decision. But that is done.

I don't think he is good enough to be Barça's starting gk. Valdes was miles better, with an occasional brainfart, and people gave him hell. Bravo's brainfarts are even more frequent. I hope he can do well if he's going to be a starter. MAtS is superior to him in everything but experience, though.

There, you attacked two of the clubs decision in that one post. Can't you be pleased with anything they decided? Geez.

I don't think anybody said Bravo is better, or even on par to Valdes. But Bravo is a full international GK, he has the experience to compete in a top league. If the club think that for the time being Bravo deserve to play for a while, then what is our position to judge better?

People should be fair, yes. Bravo deserves to be the starter? How?

Need to give Ter Stegen time to settle down? Did Atletico wait for months before giving Courtois the chance? Did Man Utd do that to De Gea?

I can't remember exactly how actually Courtois started. As far as I can remember, his only true competition for the spot is Asenjo, who was plagued with injuries at that time.

De Gea? Who was his competition again?

ter Stegen now have a full international, a first choice Gk for the Chilean NT, as a competition. He needs to wait, if the coaches say so. We should be extremely happy with the quality of depth in the Gk department. Why are people complaining? Sigh.

 

[Alarcón]

Not to mention he was great for Chile NT and is actually excellent with ball at his feet.

But I guess he is ancient at 31 and has bad 'skill levels' at FM.

He is nowhere near ter Stegen which is the important thing and the reason why even with 400% experience he will never start ahead of ter Stegen for more than a few games

 

[Flavia]

There, you attacked two of the clubs decision in that one post. Can't you be pleased with anything they decided? Geez.

I don't think anybody said Bravo is better, or even on par to Valdes. But Bravo is a full international GK, he has the experience to compete in a top league. If the club think that for the time being Bravo deserve to play for a while, then what is our position to judge better?

Sorry, I didn't know I had to say "amen" to all of the club's decisions. I had the impression I could have my own opinion...

 

[poncirus]

Bravo's brainfarts are even more frequent. I hope he can do well if he's going to be a starter. MAtS is superior to him in everything but experience, though.

Ter Stegen for all his talent is actually very prone to brainfarts.

Btw I havent watched him much in Sociedad and doubt anybody bar their supporters or football scouts did. He made a good impression with Chile and stats do tell something about his quality.

I'm not biased towards any of our 3 keepers and may the best 'win'.

 

[zealot]

He need to wait because he have Bravo as competition who deserves to start?

Sorry mate, I didn't know you talked with Lucho and the other coaches thus know all that.

No of course I didn't. Look, it seems to me that all this talks occur probably out of the frustration that another youngster may not be given 'proper chance' to develop here. On the contrary I think Barca as a club has given chances to numerous young players out of La Masia. To me Barca has always done this, promoting young players. But for some various reasons, some get more chances, some didn't. This may be due to what the coaches saw in training. But the main point still stands; we always give chances to the youngsters. ter Stegen has bright potential, and I believe the club acknowledge that, if not why did they get him? We just have to be patient, ter Stegen needs to be patient, and please be fair to Bravo.

 

[darthvader7888]

He is nowhere near ter Stegen which is the important thing and the reason why even with 400% experience he will never start ahead of ter Stegen for more than a few games

+1. Being a better player > having more experience.

 

[CatalinR10]

+1. Being a better player > having more experience.

+2

 

[zanela]

Ter Stegen for all his talent is actually very prone to brainfarts.

Bravo for all his experience is actually very prone to brainfarts.

 

[spark]

Ter Stegen for all his talent is actually very prone to brainfarts.

Btw I havent watched him much in Sociedad and doubt anybody bar their supporters or football scouts did. He made a good impression with Chile and stats do tell something about his quality.

I'm not biased towards any of our 3 keepers and may the best 'win'.

You didnt watch him. Leave it at that, dont make assumptions about anyone else. Even for Chile whether it be at the Copa America or during WCQ he made a litany of typical Bravo moments that cost them goals. Some people only saw him at the WC and decided hes an elite GK in spite of years of evidence to the contrary for club and country. Hes just adequate, which isnt enough to be the number one at a club like Barca for an extended period.

 

[messi2140]

Ter stegen all the way. I honestly didn't think there would be a discussion on who should be our first keeper.

 

[DonAK]

No of course I didn't. Look, it seems to me that all this talks occur probably out of the frustration that another youngster may not be given 'proper chance' to develop here. On the contrary I think Barca as a club has given chances to numerous young players out of La Masia. To me Barca has always done this, promoting young players. But for some various reasons, some get more chances, some didn't. This may be due to what the coaches saw in training. But the main point still stands; we always give chances to the youngsters. ter Stegen has bright potential, and I believe the club acknowledge that, if not why did they get him? We just have to be patient, ter Stegen needs to be patient, and please be fair to Bravo.

Deleted that post after I saw yours, so my bad.

I think people just prefer Ter Stegen due to him already being a pretty good GK and because he potentially can become an absolute beast. He need the confidence and play IMO. Dropping him to the bench and waiting for him to settle would be a mistake. I think he is better than Bravo, but if the management prefer the one over the other then there is not much we can do, but we don't know that for now.

You didnt watch him. Leave it at that, dont make assumptions about anyone else. Even for Chile whether it be at the Copa America or during WCQ he made a litany of typical Bravo moments that cost them goals. Some people only saw him at the WC and decided hes an elite GK in spite of years of evidence to the contrary for club and country. Hes just adequate, which isnt enough to be the number one at a club like Barca for an extended period.

A bit like people who thought Celso Borges could walk into a top team after his excellent performance in the WC lol. Could be a decent for a mid-table team in the PL, at best IMO. After having watched him play for some time here.