Claudio Bravo

Zangash

Banned
Bravo doesn't have the qualities to be a Barca keeper imo. The only reason he hasn't fucked up badly enough to get benched is because we're not giving him much to do. His moment against Villareal is almost identical to the goal Neymar scored on him last season, with the difference being he didn't have world class forwards waiting to pounce this time. Alarming.

I'm hoping Masip gets to start the next game if ter Stegen isn't fit. If I had to be honest Masip is probably the better option anyways, as he actually knows what he's doing when the ball gets to his feet. If MatS is fit he should definitely start, though. He's too much of a beast to not play...
 

poncirus

New member
This Bravo hate fest is extremely stupid. He's not fancy enough and doesnt fit FM fantasies so there you go. He's the most experienced and proven keeper of all 3. And those are the most important things for a keeper.
 

serghei

Senior Member
This Bravo hate fest is extremely stupid. He's not fancy enough and doesnt fit FM fantasies so there you go. He's the most experienced and proven keeper of all 3. And those are the most important things for a keeper.

Get used to it. Nobody even mentioned the amazing save he had right after Villareal's second post.
 

spark

New member
This Bravo hate fest is extremely stupid. He's not fancy enough and doesnt fit FM fantasies so there you go. He's the most experienced and proven keeper of all 3. And those are the most important things for a keeper.

No they arent. Otherwise Pinto would be our number one.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
No they arent. Otherwise Pinto would be our number one.

Not who is older, but who is more experienced in terms of number of appearances in top matches.
Pinto is 38 years old and has "only" 220-ish matches in top flight.

Bravo is 31, he has 350-ish appearances and 80 matches played for his NT team.

Valdes is 32, he has around 390 appearances for Barcelona.
20 matches for Spain, 25 matches for Spanish youth teams and 12 matches for Catalonia.

So, Pinto wasn't the most experienced nor in the last Season, nor in the current Season.

Ter Stegen has only 108 appearances so far.

(Anyway, I am also for Ter Stegen, but the cold stats say that Bravo IS the most experienced currently. And no, Pinto was never the most experienced.)

Too many people on this forum are too biased towards all young players and are diminishing experience too easily.
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Just like Iker Casillas is much more experienced than Keylor Navas.

With that logic, Iker should be the better GK which he is not.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Just like Iker Casillas is much more experienced than Keylor Navas.

With that logic, Iker should be the better GK which he is not.

You are going to extremes, but ok.

It would be easier to imagine 2 skills:
1. player's skills
2. experience
-- your skills can go from 1 to 100% (100% is the maximum, of course)
-- experience can go from 1 to 100% also

-- in the first 100 matches in La Liga, you will learn the most (for example, 50% of your total experience)
-- in the matches number 101-200, you will learn slightly less (for example, 30% of your total experience)
-- in the matches number 201-300, you will learn less and less (for example, 10% of your total experience) etc., because you have already learned more or less everything you will need as a player
-- so, the difference between 400 La Liga matches played and 300 La Liga matches played is much smaller, than between two players when one has 100 matches played in La Liga, and the other has 0 matches played...

-- so, on example, it would look roughly like this:
-- Ter Stegen skills are at 98%
-- his experience is at 50%

-- Bravo skills and abilities in general are weaker, and he skills are at, let's say, 90%
-- but his experience is at 90% also

-- Masip, his skills are at, let's say 80-90%
-- his experience is more or less at 10%

-- Pinto has weaker skills as a Gk, let's say 70%
-- his experience was around 80%

About your Casillas vs Navas:
-- Casillas has skills at (let's say) 80%, he is not at his prime anymore, he is much weaker than in the past
-- his experience is at 100%

-- Navas:
-- his current skills are at prime, let's say 97-98%
-- his experience is around 80% (60 NT matches for Costarica)

Anyway, I was giving percentages just as an example. But for all players, skills are probably 70% of his abilities.
And experience is another 30%.

Young player can play if he is awesome in skills. Then he can compensate his low experience with world-class skills (Young Messi)
If a young player is just average in skills (let's say Montoya, imo), then average skills+his very low experience is the reason why he is on the bench always.

About Casillas and older players, there is a moment when his skills are starting to go down, and when his huge experience doesn't help him anymore.

The best players, are of course, those who are in their prime in skills and also have enough of experience already (200+ matches, let's say)
For example, Alba, Pique, Busquets, Rakitic, Iniesta, Messi, Neymar, Suarez, from our current players.
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
My point was just that experience necessarily don't mean that you're better(Bravo vs Ter Stegen).

Experience is important, but you cannot compensate lack of ability or less ability(skills) in experience.

Iker Casillas is very experienced, much more experienced than Keylor Navas, but K.N is head and shoulders ahead of him in ability right now and is therefore the better player despite of being less experienced than Iker. Its not an extreme example.

Claudio Bravo is very experienced, much more experienced than Ter Stegen, but I rate TS ahead on current ability and much more ahead on potential despite of his lack of experience compared to Bravo RIGHT NOW

I don't even dislike Bravo. I think he could be a decent 2nd keeper and I will wait before judging him, but if I was given the choice between C.B and T.S then I would select Marc-Andre ter Stegen as my starting GK.

Furthermore, you gain experience by playing matches, not by being on the bench.
 
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Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
Bravo is an average GK people, experience and games played doesn't chance skill levels. He is average and has been average for a while. Decent backup, nothing more.
 

poncirus

New member
Claudio Bravo: Has made more saves (497) than any other goalkeeper in La Liga since August 2010

Not to mention he was great for Chile NT and is actually excellent with ball at his feet.

But I guess he is ancient at 31 and has bad 'skill levels' at FM.
 
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Flavia

Guest
Not to mention he was great for Chile NT and is actually excellent with ball at his feet.

But I guess he is ancient at 31 and has bad 'skill levels' at FM.

Did you watch him at sociedad? He is good with his feet, but average with his hands, nothing more. He also commits many blunders. This "fm" argument seems pretty dumb, I don't rate Bravo and never played it. Just have watched him enough. He's an improvement on Pinto, but not on Valdes.
 

Andrew M

New member
Did you watch him at sociedad? He is good with his feet, but average with his hands, nothing more. He also commits many blunders. This "fm" argument seems pretty dumb, I don't rate Bravo and never played it. Just have watched him enough. He's an improvement on Pinto, but not on Valdes.

He is better with his hands than you give him credit for. A very good back up
 

spark

New member
Not to mention he was great for Chile NT and is actually excellent with ball at his feet.

But I guess he is ancient at 31 and has bad 'skill levels' at FM.

So excellent he constantly passes to the opposition with or without pressure. Once again above average does not equal excellent.
 

Icarium

Lifestealer
Did you watch him at sociedad? He is good with his feet, but average with his hands, nothing more. He also commits many blunders. This "fm" argument seems pretty dumb, I don't rate Bravo and never played it. Just have watched him enough. He's an improvement on Pinto, but not on Valdes.

Never? You should try it.. It is a great game..
 

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