Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

[ThwiX]

messi and ribery have not done more than ronaldo this year to deserve it.

The game is a team game, not ronaldo's fault mourinho was too much of a moron to build a winning team.

Should seriously consider ho much hes contributed to the team?! dont make me laugh.

Dissapears in big games?

Proves how much rm football u actually watch.

Hes scored more goals than messi has scored against madrid in the past 3 or 4 years? ( not saying hes scored more overall in clasicos incase of misunderstanding)

Has scored braces against bayern munich, performed well against juventus, scored against dortmund, united, city...get real here son.

He still played really bad against those teams, you got to be really far up his ass to deny that.

 

[Icarium]

ribery, messi and ronaldo have equal chances of winning ballon d'or one because of his trophies one because he is the best player in the world and other because of his superb form lately. Without winning trophies and not breaking any records it is hard to win ballon d'or. If messi is not injured in recent months he definitely would have won it and there would be no debate about it. Damn those injuries and damn that bayern for breaking us both physically and mentally.

 

[pEllee]

He still played really bad against those teams, you got to be really far up his ass to deny that.

How? You seem to think that scoring goals is something easy...

 

[WallBreaker]

@ Twhix im not gonna bother getting in long discussions atm, im busy, but what i can say is that iamrohith here said that ronaldo disapeears in big games and i countered that by demonstrating performances in which he has scored goals or assists, which is not = to really dissapeard in my book.

Ronaldo is walking on water, he is superior right now to ribery and messi in form, if he continues like this he would be a rightful winner, if not him then ribery or no one.

Ronaldo was toper scorer in cl last year too, in my book its ronaldo who should win it, ribery had bayern munich on his side, if ronaldo had such a team with him then...i dont even want to imagine how easy this decision would be. :tata1:

 

[ThwiX]

Funny, I seem to remember him scoring against those teams. Or didn't those goals count? Or was he not good enough in the build-up play?

Tap-in after Hummels' mistake against Dortmund, penalty against Man City and a goal against Man Utd after they collapsed after Nani's red card. All three teams completely nullified him with their great defences, that's not even something to discuss.

 

[Icarium]

Let us not worry about ballon d'or just yet, people who like ronaldo should enjoy his performances in recent months and coming months to come. Finally he catches up to messi but there is no messi to compete against because of his fitness. Would be great to see both destroying opponents and at their full fitness, it is better that way for football fans and bad fanboys. Soon the famous rivalry will be back and the discussions about best player in the world will be even. Defending messi for ballon d'or at present is very hard right now because of his recent form compared to ronaldo.

 

[pEllee]

They nullified him, but yet, he always seems to be the one appearing at the right place at the right time. There's a thing called intelligent off the ball movement you know. And what's he supposed to do against good defences? Dribble them?
He moves well, and always finds himself in positions to score, that's more than enough.

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Nice examples by the way, no bias at all - Penalty against City? No, it was a longshot that went in, tap-in against Dortmund? Sure, but he also scored a good lob after a good run. And a great header against United at the Bernabeu, a decent tap-in at Old Trafford.

Was the top scorer as well.

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I'm not saying you have to like Ronaldo. You're free not to. But please, stop looking for excuses whenever he does perform really well. It makes you look like a 13 year old fanboy.

 

[suckabov]

last year too, in my book its ronaldo who should win it, ribery had bayern munich on his side, if ronaldo had such a team with him then...i dont even want to imagine how easy this decision would be. :tata1:

It wouldn't. Right now, Ronaldo is more or less carrying Madrid with his goals. If RM were actually playing more like a team, Ronaldo's influence would be less visible. That aside, it's not as if Ronaldo is let down by the rest of the team, is it? RM has one of the best squads in the world on paper, they're just not working great as a team, which is as much Ronaldo's fault as anybody else's. Because with all due respect, Ronaldo is not very unselfish.
Anyways, what I mean to say is that it's better for Ronaldo's Ballon D'Or recognition that RM isn't performing so well while he is having a scoring streak. Makes him more of a carrier.

Having said that, Ronaldo's form is great and currently, he's having a better run than Messi. Still, Ronaldo's current form, which many are drooling about, is what Messi usually does every freaking year (except this one). Just look at Messi's goal scoring records stats from last season. Ronaldo deserves credit, but it's not like his performances in the past weeks are Ballon D'Or worthy per se. This season, he for example hasn't performed in big games (Barca and Atleti).

 

[ThwiX]

They nullified him, but yet, he always seems to be the one appearing at the right place at the right time. There's a thing called intelligent off the ball movement you know. And what's he supposed to do against good defences? Dribble them?
He moves well, and always finds himself in positions to score, that's more than enough.

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Nice examples by the way, no bias at all - Penalty against City? No, it was a longshot that went in, tap-in against Dortmund? Sure, but he also scored a good lob after a good run. And a great header against United at the Bernabeu, a decent tap-in at Old Trafford.

Was the top scorer as well.

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I'm not saying you have to like Ronaldo. You're free not to. But please, stop looking for excuses whenever he does perform really well. It makes you look like a 13 year old fanboy.

Fine. My memory is apparently a little rusty.

Anyway, this is pretty interesting.
3 of Messi's 17 Liga hat-tricks include a penalty goal (14 none), while 12 of the 19 hat-tricks of C.Ronaldo include one (7 none) [via pn]

 

[WallBreaker]

Actually its better for ronaldo to win titles like the CL to solidify him as a world's best, its been a recurring theme pal.

If ronaldo played very well and won a quintuple as bayern prob will then hed win balon d or landslide imo.

Also if messi or any other barca player doesnt perform when the whole team is in slump, u will point that its a team game, out so why the inconsistency here?

Messi wasnt all too brilliant against madrid either, cr7 atleast had an assist.

 

[suckabov]

Actually its better for ronaldo to win titles like the CL to solidify him as a world's best, its been a recurring theme pal.

If ronaldo played very well and won a quintuple as bayern prob will then hed win balon d or landslide imo.

Also if messi or any other barca player doesnt perform when the whole team is in slump, u will point that its a team game, out so why the inconsistency here?

Messi wasnt all too brilliant against madrid either, cr7 atleast had an assist.

When did I do that? And what does that have to do with CR?

Besides, I said Ronaldo is currently having a better run than Messi, didn't I? I don't know where that Messi clasico comparison comes from. I said Ronaldo didn't perform in great games this season because you earlier went on about his contribution in tough games, but only mentioned examples from last season while ignoring the two from this season.

 

[WallBreaker]

"That aside, it's not as if Ronaldo is let down by the rest of the team, is it? "

THERE.

I didnt only mention games from last season btw, i mentioned Juventus and the assist to Jese, comparison comes to make a point that cr7 at the very least got him self on the score sheet in some form.

 

[Luftstalag14]

ribery, messi and ronaldo have equal chances of winning ballon d'or one because of his trophies one because he is the best player in the world and other because of his superb form lately. Without winning trophies and not breaking any records it is hard to win ballon d'or. If messi is not injured in recent months he definitely would have won it and there would be no debate about it. Damn those injuries and damn that bayern for breaking us both physically and mentally.

If one argues that titles and team performance matter the most when it comes to determining the winner of Ballon D'or, then yes, Ribery is the winner since he has been made the poster child of Bayern's treble-winning season.

If one argues that it is individual performance that matters the most, then it will be CR7 since he is ahead of everyone in stats.

If one argues that both team titles and individual performance matter, then it will be Messi.

 

[DonAK]

I actually agree that there is a lot of inconsistency here.

On individual performance, Cristiano have done better than Messi so far(Partly because Leo has been injured a lot), but trophywise he has not, but then again,

Ribery may not have done better than Cristiano and Messi as an individual player, BUT he was an integral part of Bayern's treble season. With that I mean an integral part and not the most important part as some people and media persons makes it out to be.

With all that added up, who deserves Balon D'Or more? Cristiano for his superior season as an individual player, but no trophy? Or Messi for his awesome individual season with a couple of trophies, but plagued by injuries hence prompting him to not bettering Cristiano so far? Or Ribery for his very good individual performance along with being part of an unstoppable Bayern team?

Who deserves it?

 

[Luftstalag14]

I actually agree that there is a lot of inconsistency here.

On individual performance, Cristiano have done better than Messi so far(Partly because Leo has been injured a lot), but trophywise he has not, but then again,

Ribery may not have done better than Cristiano and Messi as an individual player, BUT he was an integral part of Bayern's treble season. With that I mean an integral part and not the most important part as some people and media persons makes it out to be.

With all that added up, who deserves Balon D'Or more? Cristiano for his superior season as an individual player, but no trophy? Or Messi for his awesome individual season with a couple of trophies, but plagued by injuries hence prompting him to not bettering Cristiano so far? Or Ribery for his very good individual performance along with being part of an unstoppable Bayern team?

Who deserves it?

If it were up to me, titles and trophies should be made non-factors since this is not an award for a member of the team that won most of the titles and trophies. By considering titles and trophies, we are discriminating against those players who do not play for the top teams. The message it sends is simply ridiculous: Sorry, we absolutely don't care how good you are as a player, as long as your team sucks, as long as your team went trophyless, you will never be even close to winning this award.

It is about individual performance after all. I think the voting audience made the right call in the last four years by awarding the Ballon D'or to Messi, regardless of Sneijder's titles and trophies in 2010, Messi performed better as a player than Sneijder that year, it was as simple as that. So going by my own logic and I don't want to be called a hypocrite, even though it pains me to say it, but I think CR7 should win it.