Frodo_FCB
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Ozil is playing under Wenger, that says it all and Di Maria is playing in a shitty team with a manager that has no idea how to use him..
Ozil is playing under Wenger, that says it all and Di Maria is playing in a shitty team with a manager that has no idea how to use him..
Øzil is quite awful when he plays as cam too. He does in fact get to play there quite often, providing Welbeck and Giroud isnt quite the same.
blaugrana1987
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You got James and Modric instead. Now this is why I have to argue that BS about Ronaldo being even in same stratosphere as Messi. Today he was TOTALLY relying on service. Got two great crosses that he admittedly used perfectly and thats why he is great 9. But that is also why he relies on service and thats why he cannot dribble worth a shit. Thats why he rarely takes a ball and creates something like Benz has today. His goal in first leg in Germany was exactly the same. Great cross, forgotten and alone (again great positioning) and goal. He is closer to Klaas Jan Hunteelar then Messi.
JamDav1982
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What does Ozil playing under Wenger mean?
Wenger has had loads of attacking players thrive under him.
JamDav1982
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Jesus christ.
Do you think any of that has not been said a thousand times?
You seem to be making out people are comparing him to Messi.
Virtually no one here is.
blaugrana1987
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And you will notice that no one is denying that. What people are denying is that Ronaldo these days is as relying on service as any other number 9 is.
blaugrana1987
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Well not here, but everywhere else they are. Even Morten says he isn't player that needs a service, I mean...Ozil and ADM are gone that proves that he is not player relying on service. The fact that Modrić and Isco where brought, James as well is not worthy of mention though...
My point was that Di Maria and Øzil benefited greatly from setting up Ronaldo, its not just Ronaldo who should be grateful, as some makes it seem. Øzil wont reach 30 assist or whatever the hell had in 2011/2012, Giroud and Ronaldo is somewhat of a difference. Does he rely on support? Yes. But the creators benefits just as much or even more having him there.
JamDav1982
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Ronaldo has scored loads of goals across the past 7/8 years with varying supporting casts and two different teams.
Virtually none of those players have been as good at other clubs.
Ronaldo has been the constant.
In the balance of things Ronaldo makes the job of creative players easier than they make his. So to make out he relies on those players so much just isnt true.
blaugrana1987
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And that I agree with, I completely misunderstood your point and I apologize. Thats something I already mentioned, they had it easy since setting up Ronaldo and even Benz is whole other story when compared to setting up Giroud and Fellaini.
You guys should enjoy him while he lasts, but comparing him with Messi is even in absolutely worst case scenarios (passing, vision, dribbling etc) is doing Messi a disservice. Messi is to Neymar what Ozil/ADM was to Ronaldo, but Messi is also to Barcelona what Ronaldo is to Real in scoring sense. Thats why every comparison should be stopped before they even start.
Ronaldo is the only one who can keep up with Messi's numbers in the long run, its natural that they keep getting compared. Messi's ability on the ball is better though, thats what sets them apart. I have never seen a forward with as good passing as Messi, i will say that much.
blaugrana1987
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You see I knew you would argue my point, and again you are completely missing it. Ronaldo is a different player in last 4-5 years. He has become amazing goalscorer, and he seems to have perfected his heading ability and positioning quality. His long shoots pretty much suck these days (he is probably not even in top 50 % wise) and his dribbling is about as average as it gets.
Now to become that, from a player who once was supreme dribbler and fantastic winger with great playmaking potential, something has to give. And thats what he traded in...He is COMPLETELY useless playing on the wing (he never plays it since that is evident) and his dribbling is such that giving him a ball at 30-40 feet can only result of losing it or passing it to the nearest team mate and running into the box for a header or close proximity goal. Thats his game now a days. He knows ONLY way he is going to get compared to Messi is to have stats as good as he can get. Penalty, 1 yard hand ricochet from Pepes header anything and he is going to celebrate because every goal brings him closer to Messi. Thats what its all about and thats what he admitted in the end, thats his goal. To pass Messi.
Ronaldo is constant as a goalscorer. But so was Inzaghi. Being constant doesnt make him a player that is "not so much relying on service", it only means his talent and ability to put service behind the net is great. And no body is denying that, but it seems some people really get anxious when service is being mentioned.
Pretty much every goal he scored this season is result of a) good service ----> b) his great ability to capitalize on those chances. There are very little players that can do that week in week out, let alone year in year out like Ronaldo, but to make him something that is not is laughable.
Agreed. People here obviously like taking a shit on him, but he's a great player. Still easily the 2nd best in the world.
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