Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

Stric

New member
We all already know that defenders never get the same recognition as forwards, so I just skipped that part.

All I'm saying is, Cristiano has basically been one of the two favorites to win Ballon d'Or every time for years now. And now that he's won the CL and the EC, I just can't see how it wouldn't happen now.
 
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Flavia

Guest
We all already know that defenders never get the same recognition as forwards, so I just skipped that part.

All I'm saying is, Cristiano has basically been one of the two favorites to win Ballon d'Or every time for years now. And now that he's won the CL and the EC, I just can't see how it wouldn't happen now.

I agree with that. I've been saying it for a while. bdor is not about the best player of a year anymore, though. It's more based on marketing, politics and such. If cr's teams win important titles, it doesn't matter if he performed, he'll get it.
 

Hamzah

High Definition Member
If ronaldo doesn't win the ballon d'or then who should it go to? He's the clear winner this year. I feel bad for Suarez because he played very well all year but you need to do well in cl or international tourney to win the award these days
 

Zico94

Banned
The fact is, without him there would be no CL title for Real Madrid or Euro Cup for Portugal. This fact alone makes him favourite.

Yes, Portugal wouldn't have won the euros without Pepe but RMA could have probably won the CL without him as there were other players more key to that success than he was. In comparison, Ronaldo was the difference maker in both competitions in the grand scheme of things.
 
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Flavia

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The fact is, without him there would be no CL title for Real Madrid or Euro Cup for Portugal. This fact alone makes him favourite.

Yes, Portugal wouldn't have won the euros without Pepe but RMA could have probably won the CL without him as there were other players more key to that success than he was. In comparison, Ronaldo was the difference maker in both competitions in the grand scheme of things.

No, he wasn't. Not even close to that. cr wasn't the difference maker in either competition. For rm, Bale and Modric were just as important, if not more. For portugal, pepe, quaresma, nani, all had a vital role... That's what good marketing and Mendes do, though. Distort what happened and call them "facts".

The bdor is for the year 2016, something people seem to forget too. There's still a few months to be played. cr will win either way, but not because he is the best player this year, which he isn't.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
I agree with that. I've been saying it for a while. bdor is not about the best player of a year anymore, though. It's more based on marketing, politics and such. If cr's teams win important titles, it doesn't matter if he performed, he'll get it.

If anything,in the past few years (since the merger of the two awards) it has been about the best player more than anytime ever.If they had the same standard they had a decade ago Messi would have never won 2010 & 2012 awards for example.
 
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Flavia

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If anything,in the past few years (since the merger of the two awards) it has been about the best player more than anytime ever.If they had the same standard they had a decade ago Messi would have never won 2010 & 2012 awards for example.

Which one, fifa's? France football's award always was a bit more fair than fifa's. And again, how would Messi not win in 2012, the year he scored 91 goals? He was the best player that year. Also was in 2010, even though he wasn't the most sucessful regarding titles. The award now is for that, the most sucessful in titles between Messi and cr, unless something freakish, like 2012, happens. Or 2013, the most corrupt one ever. It's not really about the best player.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Which one, fifa's? France football's award always was a bit more fair than fifa's. And again, how would Messi not win in 2012, the year he scored 91 goals? He was the best player that year. Also was in 2010, even though he wasn't the most sucessful regarding titles. The award now is for that, the most sucessful in titles between Messi and cr, unless something freakish, like 2012, happens. Or 2013, the most corrupt one ever. It's not really about the best player.

Both FIFA and France football wasn't about best player in the year.both had some awful standards.Both put trophies above players performance
They treated 7 games in one month (The WC) above anything the year. R10 would have easily won in 2006 if it was about best player in the year.but in a WC year it was all about what happened in June & early July.
R10 should have also won France Football in 2004 but he had no trophy to show,it went for Sheva instead
Prior to the merge it would have been really unlikely someone who have only won CDR like to Messi to win it even with the greatest performance of all time in 2012.One of Xavi or Iniesta would have easily won the 2010 award with same voters and Messi might not have even made it to the top 3 in despite being really the best player in the world
The award has been consistent with its winner since the merge,no surprise and the standards has been more fair and expected.sure Barca fans would never accept Cr7 winning it in 2013 and many RM fans think that Messi didn't deserve it in 2012 too.but most neutrals expected those results.
And thank god there is no more someone winning the award the same way Zidane won it in 2003.A year that Henry should have won both or at least one of those 2 awards
 
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Flavia

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There wasn't Messi or cr back then, so all you're saying are hypotheticals. I think Messi would still win one, or even both in 2012. What he did was out of this world to go unnoticed, even without silverware. In 2010 probably not both, as the wc weights in. But this year there isn't a clear favorite. cr won't win because he was the best player for his teams, just because he's the most famous. It's different from when he won it in 2008 or 2014, when he actually deserved it.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
There wasn't Messi or cr back then, so all you're saying are hypotheticals. I think Messi would still win one, or even both in 2012. What he did was out of this world to go unnoticed, even without silverware. In 2010 probably not both, as the wc weights in. But this year there isn't a clear favorite. cr won't win because he was the best player for his teams, just because he's the most famous. It's different from when he won it in 2008 or 2014, when he actually deserved it.

I've never argued about why or if Cr7 would win this year.And I even didn't say that the award right now is perfect.
But it is much better than it was b4 and it is more invested on how good the player through the year than it once was.
And there was Zidane and Ronaldo back then too. Zidane won it in 2003 based on reputation more than anything.Nedved & Henry was much better that year
 

Hamzah

High Definition Member
Which one, fifa's? France football's award always was a bit more fair than fifa's. And again, how would Messi not win in 2012, the year he scored 91 goals? He was the best player that year. Also was in 2010, even though he wasn't the most sucessful regarding titles. The award now is for that, the most sucessful in titles between Messi and cr, unless something freakish, like 2012, happens. Or 2013, the most corrupt one ever. It's not really about the best player.

Who was the best player this year then?
 

Zico94

Banned
No, he wasn't. Not even close to that. cr wasn't the difference maker in either competition. For rm, Bale and Modric were just as important, if not more. For portugal, pepe, quaresma, nani, all had a vital role... That's what good marketing and Mendes do, though. Distort what happened and call them "facts".

The bdor is for the year 2016, something people seem to forget too. There's still a few months to be played. cr will win either way, but not because he is the best player this year, which he isn't.

Maybe you were watching RM and Ronaldo blind folded this season so lets break it down.

In the opening game of the group stage, he scored a hat-trick in a 3-0 home win against Shaktar = 3points won for his team. In the very next CL game he scored 2 goals in an away 2-0 win against Malmo = another 3 points he won for his team (6 in total). The 2 games after that were a 0-0 draw and 1-0 win against PSG where he didn't contribute to the scoreline. The game after that was 4-3 away win against shaktar where he score 2 and assisted 2 so therefore essentially won another 3 points for his team and 9 out of the total 14 points they had at this stage. In the final group game he scored 4 goals and made 1 assist in an 8-0 home win against Malmo. Granted, this game was a blow-out by Madrid so they would have probably won this one without him. However, that doesn't detract from the fact that he helped them amass 12 points out of a total 17 at this point and 9 points almost single-handedly. So it's very plausible to say that they wouldn't have won the group without him.

Now onto the knockout stage, he scored the always crucial opening goal against Roma that also happened to be an away goal. In the return leg he also opened the scoring and assisted the only other goal in a close 2-0 win where Roma were missing chance after chance on the other end of the pitch.

Moving onto the Quarter finals, he scored the all important hat-trick in the 2nd leg against Wolfsburg that cancelled and reversed the 2-0 defeat his team succumbed to in the first leg when other players went into hiding.

In the semi-finals, he didn't play the first leg because of injury and visibly wasn't 100% in the return leg despite opting to play the full 90% in a narrow 1-0 win. Onto the final, he again struggled and was underwhelming but still scored THAT all important winning penalty.

Over the course of the entire CL campaign he scored 16 goals and assisted a further 4 which accounts for 70% of RMA's TOTAL goal output in the competition.

In the same time frame, Gareth Bale missed the games against Malmo (home & away), PSG (home & away); Roma (home & away), Shaktar (most of the home game as he came off injured). So almost contributed nothing in the entire CL campaign up until he was fit and lively in the semis and final.

Overall this CL season Bale registered 0 goals in 8 appearances yet somehow he was "as important or even more important than CR" lmao. Bale was bound to be lively in the last couple of games as he was fresh having been injured for pretty much the entire season. Madrid made it to that advanced stage without him.

You can argue Modric was important but in the grand scheme of things not as important as CR was. I could do the same breakdown for the euros but it would take me hours. You're just allowing your loathe for CR to cloud your judgement or you really just have no clue. You would think he was Arbeloa with the way people post here.

I think Ronaldo is being underrated to the point where 36 league goals in 35 games - helping his team to within one point of the league in a season where EVERY other attacker on his team was being injured for lengthy periods of time is no longer good enough.

Or scoring 16 goals in a single CL campaign (no other player to ever do this apart from a younger version of himself 2 years ago) is no longer a big deal.
 

Ahmedd

New member
Maybe you were watching RM and Ronaldo blind folded this season so lets break it down

Personally I watch every Real Madrid games, Ronaldo was a great football player, now he is a goalscoring machine : If the team don't play for him he will do sh*t. He is one of the best players, but the fact that you can count every time he has been decisive this season is not a good sign imo, Messi is decisive 95% of the games... The question here is not to know if he is good or if he has scored for RM, of course he did, but the question is to know if he is the most decisive player right now. And he is not ! Pepe and Rui patricio was as decisive as him ! If it wasn't for Messi, Argentina would've not reached the Copa america final. But this is an endless debate, go read what people who watch football, and aren't kids brainwashed by medias, say about that.
 

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