Nucky
Senior Member
Of course it does according to their logic.. Till the end of the next season when they finish trophyless again..
Some people here actually forgot that Ronaldo scored 51 goals this season and was the best all round player in this season's CL campaign. Yes, he was underwhelming in the final but he was one of the primary reasons they even made it that far. He won almost all the points they accumulated in the group stage and scored + assisted 3 of the 4 goals they put past Roma in the first leg and then the hat-trick against Wolfsburg in the next round that turned the tie around and catapulted them to the semis. Similar for the euros, didn't take part in the final but would they have been there in the first place had it not been for him? That's a resounding no.
His problem is that he does a lot in the rounds before the final that people disregard when he runs out of steam in the final and underperforms. He doesn't have the most goals in the history of the CL KO rounds and the most goals in the history of the CL semi finals for nothing.
His problem is that he does a lot in the rounds before the final that people disregard when he runs out of steam in the final and underperforms. He doesn't have the most goals in the history of the CL KO rounds and the most goals in the history of the CL semi finals for nothing.
The road to the final doesnt matter, all that counts is the final(according to a fair few people in here). So it doesnt matter if he got them past Wales in the Euro semis, or did more than his fair share in the CL up until the final.
Trickykid
Active member
A feat of insurmountable magnitude indeed.
Stric
New member
Most of you know I hate Cristiano with a fiery passion, so take this into consideration when reading the rest of my post. If Cristiano shouldn't win the Ballon d'Or, who should? Can we at least agree that the answer is not that simple? Messi is easily the better player overall and had a great season, he won two domestic trophies, but he failed in the single most important moment of the Copa America and subsequently retired from his national team at a young age. Cristiano, on the other hand, won the most prestigious club competition (and scored the winning penalty) and won the goddamn Euro, whether we like it or not. And he's easily been among the most important players, if not the most important player in both teams. If any player other than Cristiano won both the CL and the Euro, especially with as much impact in both as Cristiano has made, there'd be no doubt among forum members that that player is a Ballon d'Or winner. Griezmann had a shot to win both and be the hero, but sadly we know how that turned out.
Really hard to determine who should be the winner, for me whoever starts off the year better should win it.
the easy answer right now would be cristiano since he won the CL and Euro, I just don't think his brand of football nowadays should ever be considered best in the world worthy imo.
Stric
New member
I agree. The thing is, Ballon d'Or is not a lifetime achievement award. It's for performances and achievements in one particular year. Messi is the better player overall, everyone knows that, even if they don't want to admit it. But if Griezmann, Bale, Cristiano, Neymar or whoever else has a better year than Messi, they should get the award then. I personally think that a CL and a Euro in the same year are incredibly difficult to ignore, even if the player in question is not the most exposed/important player in the teams, and Cristiano is the exact opposite. If you don't give the award to the player who was instrumental in winning the CL and the Euros, then it becomes even more meaningless.
Stric
New member
Listen, I hate everything that he represents, and I think he's incredibly overrated. But I even I wouldn't deny he was important in winning those two trophies. He was below his best level, below the level that you expect of such a highly rated player, he was invisible in some crucial moments, but I'm not sure that Real Madrid and Portugal would have won the CL and the EC, respectively, if Cristiano wasn't there at all. Even if it was possible in theory, still, you can't simply ignore that he was there.
[MENTION=12202]Stric[/MENTION] you're right the euros and cl hold too much weight for us just to ignore in a players resume, but the way he won, his teams won I mean, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.. But I guess trophies are trophies, it doesn't matter how you win them imo.
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Flavia
Guest
Pepe was there too, for both titles. And he was more important for the euro win. Maybe he should win it, then.
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