TornAndFrayed
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I'm liking this logic. Could you give your thoughts as to who was the best player on the pitch when barça trashed RM 5 0 in 2010 ?
I'm liking this logic. Could you give your thoughts as to who was the best player on the pitch when barça trashed RM 5 0 in 2010 ?
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Flavia
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It's until November, so it's still open. But regarding a player's performances in games, it surely wasn't cr. He's getting because of titles his teams got, but not because he was instrumental to them.
Looks like you don't know, but the bdor is for yearly performances. It's from january onwards. Whatever he did in the cl group stage, it doesn't count. And if performances against the "mighty" wolfsburg is what makes one win the bdor... well, lol. cr scored 16 goals in the cl, vs a lot of minions like malmo, wolfsburg, roma... It's embarassing to count that as an achievement. He did nothing in the semis and in the final. Same thing in the euros. He wasn't the most important or decisive player.
Who really have no clue here it's you, who wrote a long post full of nothing. cr is just not the best player in performances this year. Far, far from it. But bdor is based on marketing and politics these days. He wasn't rm or portugal best player. He's just is the most famous, and will win this because of reputation, and not because he deserves it. Since 2013 the bdor is tainted anyway, after that glaring corrupted extension.
Yeah, malmo, shaktar... oh my, he scored vs them!
Cristisno can't be the most decisive player when he badly depends on how well his teammates give him service, he's just a pure #9 now, nothing wrong with that but someone like that can't be the best player in the world when there's a guy that can do the same plus play for his teammates, I've watched the majority of RM and Portugal games and Cristiano goes missing more often than Messi, but for some reason Cristiano gets way too overrated when he scores his goals imo.
Portugals success was mostly due to their defensive approach, Cristiano did his part but he was far from the most decisive player in Portugal.. neither was he in Madrid,.
Portugals success was mostly due to their defensive approach, Cristiano did his part but he was far from the most decisive player in Portugal.. neither was he in Madrid,.
How can you give an award on such a subjective basis.
You just validated why Xavi & Iniesta never won one by that logic, or anyone in Barca who isn't Leo.
I love Dinho to death but he choked in that WC the same way R9 choked in France 98 final.
khaled_a_d
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Which proves my point even further.Back then 5 bad games outweighed the whole year.
Messi really didn't have such a gr8 Wc in 2010 either nor Cr7 in 2014. This shift is in a positive direction
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Flavia
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Suarez has had a better year so far, performance-wise, than cr. So did Messi. Why does it deserve it, because he played for rm and portugal? then so does Pepe.
- Suarez had a better year in La Liga stats, not NT or CL stats wise in comparison with Cristiano.
- Messi didnt reach UCL finals and lost another final with NT, CR7 won Euro and CL in comparison.
It is very easy mathematics guys, if you want to approach the Bdor in any other subjective way, you are doing it wrong.
It is and will always be about personal & team achievements in a yearly period.
The Pepe argument fails because of CR7 last CL stats, the group stage match which he saved Portugal and Euro semifinals alone.
The conditions in which the players achieved their award is irrelevant (you can have a whole subforum whining about it, it doesn't matter), the Bdor comittee has 0 fucks about your recognition context. Bdor is granted to the best player in a yearly context, measured by objective criteria (awards, cups, titles, etc.).
End of story.
- Messi didnt reach UCL finals and lost another final with NT, CR7 won Euro and CL in comparison.
It is very easy mathematics guys, if you want to approach the Bdor in any other subjective way, you are doing it wrong.
It is and will always be about personal & team achievements in a yearly period.
The Pepe argument fails because of CR7 last CL stats, the group stage match which he saved Portugal and Euro semifinals alone.
The conditions in which the players achieved their award is irrelevant (you can have a whole subforum whining about it, it doesn't matter), the Bdor comittee has 0 fucks about your recognition context. Bdor is granted to the best player in a yearly context, measured by objective criteria (awards, cups, titles, etc.).
End of story.
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He isn't a pure #9 though is he? A pure #9 is someone like Higuain, Giroud, Gomez, Aduriz or Klose and he has FAR more to his game even at this advanced stage of his career than any of those players have ever had. Even in a declined state, he offers more to his team than most players and more than what people on this forum are giving him credit for. Even the supposed tap-ins and penalties he always scores is somehwat exaggerated and you only need to watch his top 10 goals in la liga alone this season to see this. So much variety in the goals.
And yes portugal's success was mostly due to their defensive approach but to say that he "he was far from the most decisive player for Portugal" is nonsensical as he literally saved them from elimination in the last group game with 2 goals and an assist in a 3-3 draw with Hungary whilst in the next round against Croatia was involved in the game winning goal. In addition to that, he acted as a great leader and put confidence in his teammates against Poland in the crucial penalty shoot-out and even went first and scored. Not to mention, he scored the opening goal in the semis and inadvertently assisted Nani for the 2nd to seal the game. Yes, I agree Pepe was overall the best player but that's a lot for someone who was "far from being decisive."
Messi and Argentina had a much easier route to the copa america final (even playing less games): facing minnows such as Panama and Bolivia in the group stage and Venezuela and USA in the KO rounds before meeting Chile in the final.
Virtually, every team CR and Portugal faced in the KO rounds were considerably stronger than any team Argentina played in the copa america barring Chile and this is with Portugal having a less talented team.
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Flavia
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Portugal is not less talented than argentina. Their defense and midfield are actually better.
Portugal are more solid as a team (mainly because they have a superior coach) but they defintely have less talented players. The defence is better yes but that is largely due to Pepe as if you compare the other defensive slots, there isn't much between the two teams. In midfield, Argentina have a host of quality players in Di Maria, Mascherano, Pastore, Gaitan, Banega, Lamela, Biglia, etc. in comparison to Portugal who had Sanches and Carvalho as their only truly consistent midfield players in the tournament. Moutinho and Gomes were largely ineffective throughout. In attack Argentina have Aguero, Messi and Higuain at their disposal and to a lesser extent Lavezzi. A team like that should be winning every Copa America where they face bums like Panama and Bolivia in the group and meet the likes of USA in the quarter finals in a tournament that has no semi-final tie.
This is why Messi's Copa America doesn't impress me as much as others as he failed at his first real major hurdle after slaying a bunch of poor teams.
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Flavia
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Biglia is pure crap. Pastore and Lamela also don't do much. And the defense of "mercado - otamendi - funes mori - rojo" was laughable. Aguero and higuain are completely useless for argentina, di maria is always injured and too selfish when he plays. Portugal also have a better coach, and their federation isn't in shambles, making the players pay for hotels and meals, or not paying the coach.
Any of Croatia, Poland, Wales and France could easily win Copa America centenario and would be major favourites alongside Chile and Argentina.
You say that but they were blitzing teams no problem and hardly conceding until they met their first decent opponent in the final. The only major point I agree with is the coach being poor. Perhaps they may have won it if martino wasn't in charge.
You say that but they were blitzing teams no problem and hardly conceding until they met their first decent opponent in the final. The only major point I agree with is the coach being poor. Perhaps they may have won it if martino wasn't in charge.
LMFAO, Argentina > Portugal by a landslide.
Bar Cristiano & Pepe, Argentina has tons of star players. They have been proven to function as a team (reached 3 consecutive finals), their choking mentality in finals & bad coaching decisions have been their only issue. Everything else used as an excuse to under-perform is just bureaucratic stuff.
Bar Cristiano & Pepe, Argentina has tons of star players. They have been proven to function as a team (reached 3 consecutive finals), their choking mentality in finals & bad coaching decisions have been their only issue. Everything else used as an excuse to under-perform is just bureaucratic stuff.
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Flavia
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Yeah. Argentina's defense and midfield is filled with stars
I mean, Rojo, Funes Mori, Mercado, Biglia, all star stuff.Home of Barca Fans
