Daniel Alves

[Cule Angles]

Seems like we offered him a final offer which would make him one of our best paid players just behind Messi, Villa, Iniesta & Xavi. He turned it down..

So we've offered him a very fair contract and he's said no. It will be interesting to see where things go from now, in the modern era it's unusual for clubs to let contracts run down but that may be the best option here, I'm sure he'll continue to give 100% for the remainder of his time here. It's a shame to see Alves being such a greedy tosspot but I guess that's football these days.

 

[Tomchin]

So we've offered him a very fair contract and he's said no. It will be interesting to see where things go from now, in the modern era it's unusual for clubs to let contracts run down but that may be the best option here, I'm sure he'll continue to give 100% for the remainder of his time here. It's a shame to see Alves being such a greedy tosspot but I guess that's football these days.

From what I've read, the board offered Alves a salary that was 1.5M lower than Xavi/Iniesta/Villa etc; and apparently Alves wants the same salary as those 3. Alves deserves that kind of salary, since he is as vital to our attack as Iniesta and Villa etc.

Of course we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but it would be pure stupidity NOT to pay Alves a yearly 1.5M salary-increase (6M for 4 year), and then spend a massive amount of money on his replacement. It's like refusing Eto'o to give a salary-increase, and then spending billions on Zlatan's transfer-fee, and give Zlatan a massive salary-increase (compared to Eto'o) as well. Rosell can't be that stupid, right?

 

[Sepuldinho]

From what I've read, the board offered Alves a salary that was 1.5M lower than Xavi/Iniesta/Villa etc; and apparently Alves wants the same salary as those 3. Alves deserves that kind of salary, since he is as vital to our attack as Iniesta and Villa etc.

Of course we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but it would be pure stupidity NOT to pay Alves a yearly 1.5M salary-increase (6M for 4 year), and then spend a massive amount of money on his replacement. It's like refusing Eto'o to give a salary-increase, and then spending billions on Zlatan's transfer-fee, and give Zlatan a massive salary-increase (compared to Eto'o) as well. Rosell can't be that stupid, right?

good point. second that

 

[Cule Angles]

I disagree with the premise that Alves deserves the same salary as Xaviesta and our starting striker. Forget the numbers because they're pure speculation, I believe it's fair for the club to offer Dani a contract that puts him in the wage band just below those guys. The club has a budget to stick to and it's important that they don't show themselves to be weak when confronted by greedy players. If Dani's happy to earn more money at a less successful club then good luck to him, let's bring somebody in with some sporting ambition who's willing to give their all for Barça.

 

[Tomchin]

I disagree with the premise that Alves deserves the same salary as Xaviesta and our starting striker.

Well yeah, of course that's purely subjective. I think Alves is a key part of our attack; and it's very noticeable when he doesn't play. But of course I've no way to prove that his importance in our team is equal to Xavi/Iniesta and Villa's.

The club has a budget to stick to and it's important that they don't show themselves to be weak when confronted by greedy players.

Why is it important? We have to put business before pride. If the club indeed break the salary-cap for Alves; will this cause unrest among our other players (and cause those other players to ask for a higher salary as well)? Realistically, I can't see it happen. The La Masia graduates certainly wouldn't ask for a pay-increase, and guys like Abidal/Keita/etc. wouldn't do that either I think.

What we have to look at is: 1) How much will Alves' salary-increase cost us (4 x 1.5M = 6M)? 2) How much would a potential replacement cost us? (undoubtedly more than 6M)? 3) Is there any other RB who can give us the same as Alves can?

I'm curious, CuleAngles, which RB do you suggest as a possible alternative to Alves?

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We've already made this mistake in the past (Eto'o-Zlatan), and we can't make that mistake again. We refused Eto'o a salary-increase, and then afterwards we payed ridiculous money for Zlatan; and then in the end we had to replace him again (by Villa), because he didn't turn out to be the right player after all. Sure, one could argue that we solely sold Eto'o because Pep didn't like Eto'o's character (and NOT because of Eto'o's increased salary-demands); but that's difficult to say. Maybe Pep's "feeling" was simply caused because of the ongoing contract-negotations, rather than Eto'o's difficult character.

 

[Flavia]

Of course we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but it would be pure stupidity NOT to pay Alves a yearly 1.5M salary-increase (6M for 4 year), and then spend a massive amount of money on his replacement. It's like refusing Eto'o to give a salary-increase, and then spending billions on Zlatan's transfer-fee, and give Zlatan a massive salary-increase (compared to Eto'o) as well. Rosell can't be that stupid, right?

Let's hope he's not stupid. Unless the board thinks adriano is a good replacement for Dani... and he is not. For 6m, we won't find a rb as good as Dani.

 

[Cule Angles]

Why is it important? We have to put business before pride. If the club indeed break the salary-cap for Alves; will this cause unrest among our other players (and cause those other players to ask for a higher salary as well)? Realistically, I can't see it happen. The La Masia graduates certainly wouldn't ask for a pay-increase, and guys like Abidal/Keita/etc. wouldn't do that either I think.

What we have to look at is: 1) How much will Alves' salary-increase cost us (4 x 1.5M = 6M)? 2) How much would a potential replacement cost us? (undoubtedly more than 6M)? 3) Is there any other RB who can give us the same as Alves can?

I'm curious, CuleAngles, which RB do you suggest as a possible alternative to Alves?

The board members aren't stupid, they will take every reasonable step to keep Dani Alves at the Camp Nou, but there is a limit. Why is it important for the board to be strong in the face of unreasonable demands from greedy footballers? Because if not then we may as well start sending blank cheques to every player in the squad. It's not a pride issue, it's a common sense approach for a club that needs to get its finances in order.

I don't know where you get your figures from, the 1.5m figure I have seen is the additional money that he wants beyond the increase already on the table. Whether that figure is even correct I don't think we have any way of knowing. Dani's replacement? I've no idea, I hope he sees sense and signs the lucrative and very reasonable contract FC Barcelona has offered him.

 

[Necky]

Lahm will be good alternative for Alves. I said good.
Alves is a player which got offensive qualities which can not be compared with many strikers!
His contion is superb, and he is improving it from match to match.
Crosses into the 16 is excelent, too.
But, if he wont accept same salary which is reciving Xavi, or Iniesta, then his place is not in Barca!
Messi is THE one!

 

[Tomchin]

Lahm will be good alternative for Alves. I said good.

As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, apparently Lahm has a contract until 2016; which means that his transfer-fee would be sky-high (30M euro?)

 

[adil_909]

i agree completely with tomchin. if it's a case of 1.5m, then barca is being totally idiotic. alves busts his balls for this club, and has been doing so for ages. it's time we started respecting ALL barca legends, not just the ones who were born and bred in catalunya. sure i think alves is being a bit of a jerkoff for being petty, but honestly, if we let him go, then we are taking multiple steps backwards. alves fits barca perfectly. he was born to play for us. let's not have another eto'o situation again because we got into an ego battle between club and player. he is immensely important to this club, and to suggest otherwise is lunacy.

The board members aren't stupid, they will take every reasonable step to keep Dani Alves at the Camp Nou

if they are not stupid, then they will shove their egos down the toilet and do what is best for this club - and that is ensuring that this team of legends stays together and fights for this club for many years to come. there is no better RB in the world for barca than alves, and we have him. selling him is a massive step backwards, so this ego battle must end. or you know, we could always folllow the arsene wenger model = beautiful finances and empty trophy cabinet. is that what you want?

we spent a lot of money bringing dani alves to this club. why would anyone think we wouldn't have to maintain that kind of spending to keep him here?

 

[La Pulga]

alves is one of the most important players of barca, tacticly. only because of him we can play 4-3-3 defensively and 3-3-4 offensively. his stamina is beyond any others. good defender good asset in attack. he really really shouldn't be let go.
but i hear some (mancity) will pay the absolute full amount. good to give barca's economy a boost. i'm in two minds (read useless)!

 

[yusuf]

he should not be paid on the par with xaviineista and our starting strikers if the club offered him a solid deal right below them i cant see how they can go offer him as much as them as he is not as important. we win the CL without alves in the lineup but will we win without xavineista? no so unless we higher their wages then i say we let him go

 

[gingerless]

well barcelona (i think) are a club that you have to respect and follow their rules, they don't take shit from nobody that's why eto'o and zlatan happened

 

[Tomchin]

Yusuf, would we also have scored at sf without alves' cross to eto'o up front?

 

[Huckleberry]

Alves knows exactly, that Barça is the best club for him.
But now he deals for his last contract as a professional player.
All depend on how much City (or another club) is willing to pay for him.