Erling Haaland
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malvolio
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remember messi gifting him penaldos so he can get back into scoring form
truth is we didn't have such donkeys as strikers, apart from the odd maxi lopez or ibra transfers.
romario, R9, eto'o, villa, suarez types are what suits us the most.
Well exactly, but that's the problem. Strikers like Ibra and Haaland are good in specific systems but they can't co-exist with Messi. We've tried it and seen it. What works for Barca is more versatile strikers who can drift to the wings like Villa, Suarez (when he still had legs). Right now someone like Gabriel Jesus would suit us a lot better than Haaland. What he lacks in the goalscoring prowess he makes up for with his versatility and being able to play as a winger if needed.
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
Messi has 2 years at best at a high level, we shouldn't be factoring messi in this equation at all, that short sightedness is what has got us here.
Ibra was good, but that version of Messi was the best player to ever grace a football field so unfortunately for Ibra he couldn't play in that position (no one could of either). Messi no longer plays as a false 9 in that position and haland will work fine with him, thinking otherwise is selling haland short imo.
BarcaOG
Banned
Yeah, not sure he'll wait. And why would he? He has the world at his feet right now. Clubs will go into debt for him,
I just think Haaland's attributes are more suited to a counter attacking team. He has great explosive pace as we've seen from his long sprints across the pitch and he's a great finisher. But even when we take Messi out of the equation, I feel like a striker for Barca needs to be able to play constant one-twos with midfielders, drift out to the wings and I just can't see Haaland being the man for that (not to mention that we can't get him anyway cause of the financial situation so this is all theoretical). Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like he'd be a disappointment at Barca.
BarcaOG
Banned
Those are fair points but I think Mbappe is the natural counter attacker. Most of the Haaland goals I've seen are the end result of deliberate build-up around the area, which is more or less the Barca style.
Yannik
Senior Member
Dortmund averages 0,7% less possession per game than Bayern. This might be more down to Favre than Terzic, but even there he constantly forced runs. There was an article from Constantin Eckner on him on Spielverlagungs Christmas Special speaking about this. Translation:
Door 18: Erling Haaland
Borussia Dortmund may currently be in a sporting crisis, but that certain does not apply to a BVB player. The Norwegian super striker Erling Haaland is the walking goal threat and at the same time someone who is never afraid of the risk.
But let's start with a fundamental question: does Haaland fit all in the risk player category? Does it have important attributes like some players in the real advent calendar? The final answer to that belongs: yes and no. Haaland is a contextual risk player, but above all one who drives his teammates into risk. That stinging in a low-risk team like Favre?s BVB caught the eye.
Because in that rather leisurely and conservative play facility, Haaland was always a driving force, who compensated for the lack of depth of the game structure in a certain way by making deep runs almost independently of the dynamics of the ball possession game. He provoked steep passes from his teammates, who had to abandon their risk-averse style of play for a moment because Haaland asked for it. The Norwegian also has the advantage that he sometimes glides very smoothly through the interfaces of the defense and has a good feeling for picking up the ball at high speed. This requires excellent looking around and the ability to adapt your own running speed to the speed of the ball.
Now this way of playing is only associated with a manageable risk that Haaland takes. Of course, he can lose the ball on the offside line or while dribbling afterwards. But that actually minimizes the risk of the Dortmund game, which too often got into trouble due to premature ball losses or ball losses with minimal residual protection - as Mats Hummels emphasized after the 1: 5 against VfB Stuttgart.
Trade-off decisions at top speeds
Apart from this component in Haaland's game, it is above all the dribbling situations he has forced in the opposing half where the risk / reward ratio can swing in both directions. At first glance, his dribbles appear hectic, especially after the first breakthrough. What the 20-year-old is actually trying, however, is to take with him the dynamism that has already arisen from the previously played pass and at the same time to use the unfavorable movements and body positions of the defenders.
So if, for example, a defender sprints to the side of Haaland and looks at the goal like the Norwegian, Haaland likes to move against his body position to the other side and virtually cross his path behind his body. Haaland often does this in dribbling, as mentioned, but sometimes also with passes. If he sees a teammate who is, so to speak, in the back of the defender who is sprinting along, he tries to allude to this and to create an effect similar to the aforementioned crossing run.
Haaland is taking a risk because he could of course also try to pull up to the goal in a more or less straightforward sprint and, if necessary, should he be pushed away, complete the half-distance. In any case, that would make him appear as a passable center forward who does not give up supposedly unnecessary attacking situations. Haaland, on the other hand, prefers to take the risk of losing the ball and not even finishing it in order to significantly improve his shooting position or that of a teammate. That in turn sounds, with all the dissonance to Favre football, like the way of thinking of the now fired Swiss coach.
Haaland plays with probabilities in his own way. Even if he loses the ball a few times at high speeds or hits the defender's legs, he can also create excellent shooting positions that are much more likely to lead to goal. The offensive productivity is so high because he does not aim unnecessarily at the case from nowhere, but often puts himself in situations in which he even has the opportunity to make the weighing decisions explained. If Haaland were only interested in shooting productivity, he could book a lot more attempts for himself. But the Norwegian only has an eye on how best to get to the next success - i.e. the next hit.
Door 18: Erling Haaland
Borussia Dortmund may currently be in a sporting crisis, but that certain does not apply to a BVB player. The Norwegian super striker Erling Haaland is the walking goal threat and at the same time someone who is never afraid of the risk.
But let's start with a fundamental question: does Haaland fit all in the risk player category? Does it have important attributes like some players in the real advent calendar? The final answer to that belongs: yes and no. Haaland is a contextual risk player, but above all one who drives his teammates into risk. That stinging in a low-risk team like Favre?s BVB caught the eye.
Because in that rather leisurely and conservative play facility, Haaland was always a driving force, who compensated for the lack of depth of the game structure in a certain way by making deep runs almost independently of the dynamics of the ball possession game. He provoked steep passes from his teammates, who had to abandon their risk-averse style of play for a moment because Haaland asked for it. The Norwegian also has the advantage that he sometimes glides very smoothly through the interfaces of the defense and has a good feeling for picking up the ball at high speed. This requires excellent looking around and the ability to adapt your own running speed to the speed of the ball.
Now this way of playing is only associated with a manageable risk that Haaland takes. Of course, he can lose the ball on the offside line or while dribbling afterwards. But that actually minimizes the risk of the Dortmund game, which too often got into trouble due to premature ball losses or ball losses with minimal residual protection - as Mats Hummels emphasized after the 1: 5 against VfB Stuttgart.
Trade-off decisions at top speeds
Apart from this component in Haaland's game, it is above all the dribbling situations he has forced in the opposing half where the risk / reward ratio can swing in both directions. At first glance, his dribbles appear hectic, especially after the first breakthrough. What the 20-year-old is actually trying, however, is to take with him the dynamism that has already arisen from the previously played pass and at the same time to use the unfavorable movements and body positions of the defenders.
So if, for example, a defender sprints to the side of Haaland and looks at the goal like the Norwegian, Haaland likes to move against his body position to the other side and virtually cross his path behind his body. Haaland often does this in dribbling, as mentioned, but sometimes also with passes. If he sees a teammate who is, so to speak, in the back of the defender who is sprinting along, he tries to allude to this and to create an effect similar to the aforementioned crossing run.
Haaland is taking a risk because he could of course also try to pull up to the goal in a more or less straightforward sprint and, if necessary, should he be pushed away, complete the half-distance. In any case, that would make him appear as a passable center forward who does not give up supposedly unnecessary attacking situations. Haaland, on the other hand, prefers to take the risk of losing the ball and not even finishing it in order to significantly improve his shooting position or that of a teammate. That in turn sounds, with all the dissonance to Favre football, like the way of thinking of the now fired Swiss coach.
Haaland plays with probabilities in his own way. Even if he loses the ball a few times at high speeds or hits the defender's legs, he can also create excellent shooting positions that are much more likely to lead to goal. The offensive productivity is so high because he does not aim unnecessarily at the case from nowhere, but often puts himself in situations in which he even has the opportunity to make the weighing decisions explained. If Haaland were only interested in shooting productivity, he could book a lot more attempts for himself. But the Norwegian only has an eye on how best to get to the next success - i.e. the next hit.
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vuji_31
Senior Member
Agree.
Mbappe is dribbler who needs space.
Haaland showed that he is complete and can score on both ways.
raskolnikov
Well-known member
Ever notice how many players are more suited fir a counter based style compared to a posession one.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Literally every attacking player is. Who doesn't want more room and space to work with?
serghei
Senior Member
Every attacking player who has speed, indeed.
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