Ernesto Valverde - V1

[George_Costanza]

We created plenty of chances to secure the win (Messi, Pique, Paulinho etc). That is not Valverde's fault.
Umtiti choosing to stop tracking his man is also not Valverde's fault, and neither is Pique the bozo ending up in the middle of the freakin goal when he should man mark.

Barca had plenty of opportunities even after Iniesta was subbed off. If you blame Valverde for this particular loss, you are truly clueless. This was on the players.

There were 3 defenders vs. 2 after Umtiti stopped tracking. Starting a player who just came back from injury and only played 30 mins in an easy cup game is Valverde's fault.

Gonzalez was between Pique and S. Roberto and yet managed to score.

 

[henias]

We created plenty of chances to secure the win (Messi, Pique, Paulinho etc). That is not Valverde's fault.
Umtiti choosing to stop tracking his man is also not Valverde's fault, and neither is Pique the bozo ending up in the middle of the freakin goal when he should man mark.

Barca had plenty of opportunities even after Iniesta was subbed off. If you blame Valverde for this particular loss, you are truly clueless. This was on the players.

If I'm not wrong, players selection and management, tactics, formation are coaches' responsibility. When the team wins, people claim Valverde is a tactician and a genius but when they lose u blame it on the players? He shud never have played Suarez and Rakitic, who were slowing down the attack and were wasteful in chances. He shud have played Semedo who can provide more defense and played Roberto in right midfield.But no, he INISISTED on playing Rakitic who was absolutely shit tonight.

If u cant even differentiate between good and bad players, I dont think u deserve to be called a good manager and then run away from responsibility when the team loses. When such appaling managerial decisions are shown, don't expect to push the blame to the players.

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

Why does he starts with rakitic and paulinho every game ? There are so many players in the first team that needs to benched right now its ridiculous. Just give the youth more play time. They wont do worse then rakitic and for god sake dont play Roberto at rb anymore. We bought a rb for a reason. Give Alena more play time instead of rakitic or paulinho. Play Denis Suarez more often. The guy plays 1 bad match and get benched for the rest of the season. try to give the guy a few run of matches and try him out. He needs to do something new. It seems like the only thing he knows is start with the veteran players and hope for Messi to score or Ter Stegen to save us.

We haven't played 1 good match this season bar the juventus game at home. He seems like the new lucho indeed. totally out his depth

He clearly has his favourites, the likes of Rakitic and Suarez could have a million horrible matches and a row and he'd still start them. Whereas he'll play Semedo and Denis maybe once a month and if they're nothing short of spectacular they get benched for another month.

 

[Devils]

We created plenty of chances to secure the win (Messi, Pique, Paulinho etc). That is not Valverde's fault.
Umtiti choosing to stop tracking his man is also not Valverde's fault, and neither is Pique the bozo ending up in the middle of the freakin goal when he should man mark.

Barca had plenty of opportunities even after Iniesta was subbed off. If you blame Valverde for this particular loss, you are truly clueless. This was on the players.

I bet you didn't blame Lucho for 3-0 loss against Juve just because we created sufficient amount of chances to get a result.

Valverde was tactically clueless today against Celta's counter attacks. Our chances created didn't change that, our 'improved' defence under Valverde was shredded to pieces and Valverde's horrible subs didn't change that either.

 

[Sorin]

Let's be honest here.

There are so many underperforming players in the team right now and useless players in the squad. Subs are usually made to make tactical changes or make an impact and we have no impact players on the bench that can win the game for us.

Suarez underperforming, Rakitic underperforming. Denis, Paco, Gomes mostly useless with the former not even having a proper position.

There's only this much a coach can do when your untouchable starters are stinking up the place. Could try and bench them, but would be a case of damned if you do, damned if not in case it still fails.

What I fear is Robert, Segura and the board not realizing the players we need to move on from.

Throting a team with Rakitic again and again is indefensable. Subbing Iniesta in the 50th minute when he had a good match and a week off is on him. He doesn t have to play next week either. Keeping Suarez in when all he does is stumble over his own legs is on him. Just fucking play Messi as a false 9 and be over with it if Paco is not up to it. Flood the mid with players, Suarez is shit at scoring goals anyway. He is useless.

All that shit above is all on Valverde. You just can t make excuses for those.

 

[Jakabor]

There were 3 defenders vs. 2 after Umtiti stopped tracking. Starting a player who just came back from injury and only played 30 mins in an easy cup game is Valverde's fault.

Gonzalez was between Pique and S. Roberto and yet managed to score.

So? Umtiti was the closest to the 0-1 goalscorer from Celta, whom he had been chasing and then suddenly stopped chasing. MAtS' save just before the 0-1 goal was all for nothing because Umtiti stopped running.

How about no? Pique lost track of his man in the box. His bad positioning was entirely his own fault.

 

[MessiCam]

We created plenty of chances to secure the win (Messi, Pique, Paulinho etc). That is not Valverde's fault.
Umtiti choosing to stop tracking his man is also not Valverde's fault, and neither is Pique the bozo ending up in the middle of the freakin goal when he should man mark.

Barca had plenty of opportunities even after Iniesta was subbed off. If you blame Valverde for this particular loss, you are truly clueless. This was on the players.

So Valverde gets credit for our supposed solid defense after some of us insisted that it was a myth and that ter Stegen was saving us. He was being credited for grinding out wins with a shit side but now that the results aren’t going his way it’s the players fault?

I agree Barça have been worse and won under Valverde but the luck was bound to run out.

 

[Neymessi]

We have played like barca for the last 2 matches.

Can't criticise him now even though we dropped points. His lineups and subs are still weird but we are playing great so I will take it.

 

[Jakabor]

I bet you didn't blame Lucho for 3-0 loss against Juve just because we created sufficient amount of chances to get a result either.

Valverde was tactically clueless today against Celta's counter attacks. Our chances created didn't change that, our 'improved' defence under Valverde was shredded to pieces and Valverde's horrible subs didn't change that either.

I bet you are the person bold and ignorant enough to compare the limited amount of chances vs Juventus to today's match. Just stop right there.

Counter attacks can't been prevented entirely, and Celta are especially good technically and at counter attacks, which is why you can't - even with so called "better managing/coaching" - expect to hold them down. Especially not with the player material currently available.
You can, however, expect better defending from your CBs. Today one goal were due to Umtiti choosing to stop trackning (the first Celta goal), and Pique's horrible positioning and pathetic show of decision making were at fault for the second Celta goal.

Not to mentioning Paulinho missing twice, Pique missing horribly in front of goal, Messi missing, Alcacer missing etc etc. The lack of quality when it comes to finishing the many chances we do create is also not Valverde's fault

Not Valverde's fault.

 

[MessiCam]

We have played like barca for the last 2 matches.

Can't criticise him now even though we dropped points. His lineups and subs are still weird but we are playing great so I will take it.

We didn’t play great today but we did fashion a lot of chances. Every attack stagnates when the ball gets to Rakitic, Suarez or Paulinho. There is no fluidity unless the players involved are Alba, Messi and Iniesta.

The sooner this coach goes the better.

 

[henias]

So? Umtiti was the closest to the 0-1 goalscorer from Celta, whom he had been chasing and then suddenly stopped chasing. MAtS' save just before the 0-1 goal was all for nothing because Umtiti stopped running.

How about no? Pique lost track of his man in the box. His bad positioning was entirely his own fault.

Regardless of Pique making a mistake or not, we have too many midfielders congested in the centre, a flat 442 with no wings utilised, it leads to easy dispossession in the centre and very easy for opponents to break on the counter and those midfielders will be too upfront to track back to help, especially if u considered slow Rakitic. Roberto wasnt fast enough to track back either. All the defensive job are heavily on Umtiti and Pique alone, and you cant blame them, even Umititi got a hamstring bcos of his tactics. But.. but isnt Valverde's one of the best defensive tactician? His tactics are highly questionable, let alone his players selection.

But hey since u were siding Valverde so much, lets forget this match but do u seriously think Valverde can win the CL or even not lose points in the next league matches? I doubt so and this match will only show a glimpse of how poor his decisions and tactics are. Lets not forget we are playing against CELTA at HOME. He is bound to get exposed some day.

 

[DonAK]

Iniesta asked to get subbed. Could have an injury. Umtiti possibly out for two months.

Valverde played with fire sticking with the same players all the time and now it's coming back to bite him.

But I guess it's good he rotates Semedo all the time

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

We have played like barca for the last 2 matches.

Can't criticise him now even though we dropped points. His lineups and subs are still weird but we are playing great so I will take it.

We didn't create anything in the Valencia match, we just passed the ball really well outside their box in the first half.

Yes, we did have tons of chances today, but these are not chances that we'll be able to recreate as most came from lucky bounces and breaks. We still struggle immensely to break down other teams with fluid passing.

Celta had better chances than we did.

 

[Devils]

I bet you are the person bold and ignorant enough to compare the limited amount of chances vs Juventus to today's match. Just stop right there.

Counter attacks can't been prevented entirely, and Celta are especially good technically and at counter attacks, which is why you can't - even with so called "better managing/coaching" - expect to hold them down. Especially not with the player material currently available.
You can, however, expect better defending from your CBs. Today one goal were due to Umtiti choosing to stop trackning (the first Celta goal), and Pique's horrible positioning and pathetic show of decision making were at fault for the second Celta goal.

Not to mentioning Paulinho missing twice, Pique missing horribly in front of goal, Messi missing, Alcacer missing etc etc. The lack of quality when it comes to finishing the many chances we do create is also not Valverde's fault

Not Valverde's fault.

We created enough clear chances vs Juve to get a result, you can't argue otherwise.

Your arguments are essentially the backline was poorly organized and we are poor clinically (which we have been nearly the entire season).

If I'm not mistaken, Valverde is the guy who gives the team tactical planning, Valverde is the who trains the team on a weekly basis, Valverde is the guy who is in control of their fitness regimes.

Get out of here calling other people ignorant when you give Valverde a clean slate on what has been a poorly performing Barca team for 3 months and is only now beginning to get exposed.

 

[gasgas]

We created enough clear chances vs Juve to get a result, you can't argue otherwise.

Your arguments are essentially the backline was poorly organized and we are poor clinically (which we have been nearly the entire season).

If I'm not mistaken, Valverde is the guy who gives the team tactical planning, Valverde is the who trains the team on a weekly basis, Valverde is the guy who is in control of their fitness regimes.

Get out of here calling other people ignorant when you give Valverde a clean slate on what has been a poorly performing Barca team for 3 months and is now beginning to get exposed.

Juve missed chances too

Higuain missed a one on one

Khedira goal was wrongly disallowed.