Ernesto Valverde - V1

[henias]

And you can't claim that the amount of chances created in this match is even comparable to the limited amount of chances in the loss vs Juventus.

No, that's not my argument. Get some reading comprehension. My argument is very simple. In this particular match against Celta the reason for the points lost is down to individual errors and missed opportunities from certain individuals. It has nothing to do with Valverde's tactics or a lack a collective cohesiveness. No, this match - check again - this match has been a failure because of lack of quality individually.

It's very ignorant to blame Valverde for this loss of points, and it shows a clear and present bias against him. That bias may be fair and based on arguments, which I also can agree on, when one considers other matches, but not in this particular match. No way at all.

Wrong. The fact that Pique and Umititi were even bearing so much of the defensive workload is still part of tactics. And our attack were wingless and tootheless, which led to so many cheap counters in the first place. Suarez and Rakitic which VALVERDE himself have SO MUCH faith in, were also to blamed with so many dispossesion which led to the Celta's attacks. Bear in mind, it's against Celta. I'll credit Valverde when he won against Juventus, but he just went a downward spiral from then. His poor player selection, decision, uninspiring 442 tactics, just cannot be excuses anymore.

By your logic, whenever Messi scores and win us matches, all credit should be given to players like Messi since he is the one who scored? Considering Messi have been our goal source this season. Valverde shouldn't be praised right? But it doesnt work like that, managers still bear most of the responsibilites.

You can blame the refs, players, all u want but fact is we still drew against Valencia and Celta twice in a row.

How many injuries are we going to sustain, before u realise that Valverde is overplaying certain players and underplaying some.

Are u going to blame, Messi or other players again when Valverde fail to win a CL or fall behind and lose the league?

Everything boils down to manager's planning, tactics, vision, squad morale, selection, understanding of oppositions. It's has been largely Valverde's fault due to the options he has and the freedom to change tactics. Of course, if the team wins, he can rightfully claim his credit as well. But you simply just cant shirk responsibility after a loss.

 

[gasgas]

The first goal we conceeded was pique having a brainfart which led to a distorted offside trap similar to how we were able to score our second goal and the second goal was due to umitit giving up midway because of a hamstring.

Defnitely not tactics to blame just because we conceeded. Teams conceede goal all the time.

I have been a huge EV criticizer but I can't hate on him now. You honestly can't ask more of him than to play good with the team we have and we did. I was against him when we were winning but playing like shit, but not now.

I study medicine and i never knew that brains can fart.

Gotta go back to Guyton's physiology again or else i might get asked this when i face a patient with a neurological condition

 

[Sorin]

As I said his lineups and subs are still very weird but at least he is making us play good. If you want to criticize him for starting those 2 then I am with you.

I have a feeling both of them are kind of unbenchable for some reason and benching them could lead to an awkward situation in the dressing room and he doesn't have the balls to bench them.

Imagine not having the balls to bench fucking Rakitic of all people. You can understand not benching Messi since, well, he s Messi, but the waste of space that Rakitic is having any power whatsoever over the coach? That s as much of a red flag over Valverde's credibility as any. You can t go to other players to tell them to go to the bench for every little mistake but then still play Rakitic after useless displays of football over and over again. Of course Semedo, Denis, Paco etc. are puting up these kind of performances when they ll be out of the team for misplacing a pass here or there or not scoring from 1 or 2 chances. They play with pressure while Rakitic and Suarez keep their spots regardless of what they do.

 

[gasgas]

Imagine not having the balls to bench fucking Rakitic of all people. You can understand not benching Messi since, well, he s Messi, but the waste of space that Rakitic is having any power whatsoever over the coach? That s as much of a red flag over Valverde's credibility as any. You can t go to other players to tell them to go to the bench for every little mistake but then still play Rakitic after useless displays of football over and over again. Of course Semedo, Denis, Paco etc. are puting up these kind of performances when they ll be out of the team for misplacing a pass here or there or not scoring from 1 or 2 chances. They play with pressure while Rakitic and Suarez keep their spots regardless of what they do.

Are you suggesting Testicular atrophy?

 

[Sorin]

Are you suggesting Testicular atrophy?

I'm suggesting Valverde not being up to it. So more like no balls whatsover. Posibly being an eunuc when it comes to big teams. He can have 10 balls at a team like Bilbao.

 

[Horatio]

I study medicine and i never knew that brains can fart.

Gotta go back to Guyton's physiology again or else i might get asked this when i face a patient with a neurological condition

You criticize me for bringing up religion but then you produce jokes like this???

 

[Aryagorn]

Valverde must be the only manager who gets called out for 'sloppy' tactics despite his team creating so many chances, getting a valid goal ruled out and conceding the second goal only because of losing a defender for injury right during the move for that goal


However, he did fuck up with starting XI, the bench (Semedo not even being on the bench), not bringing in players who can provide width especially when he wanted to play two tall players in the center (he could well have opted to bring in Deulofeu and pushing Paulinho further up top rather than brning in Paco and depending on Roberto to provide the width) and of course subbing Iniesta out instead of his favorite Rakitic when we chasing a lead!

PS - Rakitic surely must have caught him doing something weird!

 

[gasgas]

You criticize me for bringing up religion but then you produce jokes like this???

You think that is a joke?

 

[Ghostmaster]

Valverde must be the only manager who gets called out for 'sloppy' tactics despite his team creating so many chances, getting a valid goal ruled out and conceding the second goal only because of losing a defender for injury right during the move for that goal


However, he did fuck up with starting XI, the bench (Semedo not even being on the bench), not bringing in players who can provide width especially when he wanted to play two tall players in the center (he could well have opted to bring in Deulofeu and pushing Paulinho further up top rather than brning in Paco and depending on Roberto to provide the width) and of course subbing Iniesta out instead of his favorite Rakitic when we chasing a lead!

PS - Rakitic surely must have caught him doing something weird!

Iniesta asked to be subbed off.

 

[Aryagorn]

Iniesta asked to be subbed off.

Oh man! I hope he has not caught up an injury too

However, this again shows Valverde's poor choice for our bench today. He could well has brought in Semedo for Iniesta and moved Roberto into midfield!

 

[Raketa10]

I am not blaming Valverde at all. Our team is just to weak.

With Dembele injurd our attack is Messi alone and our midfield is bellow any possible criteria. We have only one good midfielder and thats Busquets. Iniesta is done and all other options are well bellow required level.

Our defense is also in a very bad shape now with Umtiti injured. Ter Stegen is the main reason we didn't lose more points.

So let’s be realistic, we won’t win anything this season unless we pull some miraculous signings in January. This team is also very hard to watch, basically there is just one reason people come to watch this Barca and that’s Messi.

 

[xXKonan]

I said a couple of times it's mind boggling how certain players are on a tightrope and any mistake they get pulled off/benched quickly, while the likes of Suarez and Rakitic and even Pique get away with piss poor performances and get rewarded for their efforts.

You see it this season with Semedo, if he has a poor game he gets pulled quickly but the likes of Rakitic and Suarez who are of course ineffective will stay on in order to build "Confidence" Has Valverde not really considered the idea that maybe that Rakitic and Suarez play a key role in how sterile our play is at times?

 

[gasgas]

I am not blaming Valverde at all. Our team is just to weak.

With Dembele injurd our attack is Messi alone and our midfield is bellow any possible criteria. We have only one good midfielder and thats Busquets. Iniesta is done and all other options are well bellow required level.

Our defense is also in a very bad shape now with Umtiti injured. Ter Stegen is the main reason we didn't lose more points.

So let’s be realistic, we won’t win anything this season unless we pull some miraculous signings in January. This team is also very hard to watch, basically there is just one reason people come to watch this Barca and that’s Messi.

It's not as if Dembele was lighting the world on fire before his injury.

He has a lot of adapting to do
He won't be our hero, ala Neymar 2013-14

 

[Birdy]

It looks like Celta did not deserve any draw at all today with xG 3.9 - 1.85:

https://understat.com/match/8018

But, the shift is telling. Many people here were complaining about the reserved and defensive style EV has imposed upon Barca. Well, today, it was not the case, but at the same time you see the hazards of trying to play like good old Barca when you clearly do not have the players to do so..

 

[FCBfan22]

It looks like Celta did not deserve any draw at all today with xG 3.9 - 1.85:

https://understat.com/match/8018

But, the shift is telling. Many people here were complaining about the reserved and defensive style EV has imposed upon Barca. Well, today, it was not the case, but at the same time you see the hazards of trying to play like good old Barca when you clearly do not have the players to do so..

True, you can't play the old Barca style, especially in the 442 diamond formation.