Ernesto Valverde - V1

[Luftstalag14]

There can be no excuse for how we seem to crumble at almost every counter our opponents unleash. There has to be better coaching that can improve how to deal with counter attacks.

 

[Horatio]

Don't understand why Valverde gets critiziced so badly. We created chances, missed some sitters and ref robbed us of one goal. We were just very unlucky. These matches happen.

 

[Devils]

There can be no excuse for how we seem to crumble at almost every counter our opponents unleash. There has to be better coaching that can improve how to deal with counter attacks.

It's almost as if leaving our fastest defender out of the squad was a bad idea against a team known for their rapid counter attacks.

But we created chances so Valverde should be excused.

...yeah right.

 

[Neymessi]

We didn't create anything in the Valencia match, we just passed the ball really well outside their box in the first half.

Yes, we did have tons of chances today, but these are not chances that we'll be able to recreate as most came from lucky bounces and breaks. We still struggle immensely to break down other teams with fluid passing.

Celta had better chances than we did.

You can't blame valverde for suarez and rakitic being terrible. We created a lot of chances with this turdfest of a team and he does deserve some credit. Paulinhio and pique missed an open net and we missed many sitters.

I am usually furious when we play like shit. When it feels like even if we played for 90 minutes more we still wouldn't create chances for shit, when the midfield is non existant and forget goals we aren't even able to attack. Unfortunately we have witnessed a lot of those games in recent times but today wasn't one of them.

We were always attacking and could have won too.

Celta didn't have better chances than us. We didn't create most chances from 'luck' only.

 

[Neeraj]

You can't blame valverde for suarez and rakitic being terrible. We created a lot of chances with this turdfest of a team and he does deserve some credit. Paulinhio and pique missed an open net and we missed many sitters.

I am usually furious when we play like shit. When it feels like even if we played for 90 minutes more we still wouldn't create chances for shit, when the midfield is non existant and forget goals we aren't even able to attack. Unfortunately we have witnessed a lot of those games in recent times but today wasn't one of them.

We were always attacking and could have won too.

Celta didn't have better chances than us. We didn't create most chances from 'luck' only.

Uh,yes you can. He does have the teeny bit of power called selecting the XI.

 

[Devils]

You can't blame valverde for suarez and rakitic being terrible. We created a lot of chances with this turdfest of a team and he does deserve some credit. Paulinhio and pique missed an open net and we missed many sitters.

I am usually furious when we play like shit. When it feels like even if we played for 90 minutes more we still wouldn't create chances for shit, when the midfield is non existant and forget goals we aren't even able to attack. Unfortunately we have witnessed a lot of those games in recent times but today wasn't one of them.

We were always attacking and could have won too.

Celta didn't have better chances than us. We didn't create most chances from 'luck' only.

You can't blame him for playing players who have been CONSISTENTLY terrible for 2+ months now?

 

[Ousmane Dembélé]

You can't blame valverde for suarez and rakitic being terrible. We created a lot of chances with this turdfest of a team and he does deserve some credit. Paulinhio and pique missed an open net and we missed many sitters.

I am usually furious when we play like shit. When it feels like even if we played for 90 minutes more we still wouldn't create chances for shit, when the midfield is non existant and forget goals we aren't even able to attack. Unfortunately we have witnessed a lot of those games in recent times but today wasn't one of them.

We were always attacking and could have won too.

Celta didn't have better chances than us. We didn't create most chances from 'luck' only.

Fair enough, but isn't Valverde the one who picks the starting XI? Starting Suarez and Rakitic repeatedly when they've been shitting the bed since the start of the season is on him.

Also Celta got into our box far too easily and exposed us badly defensively, with better end product they could've scored about 4 goals.

 

[Jakabor]

We created enough clear chances vs Juve to get a result, you can't argue otherwise.

Your arguments are essentially the backline was poorly organized and we are poor clinically (which we have been nearly the entire season).

If I'm not mistaken, Valverde is the guy who gives the team tactical planning, Valverde is the who trains the team on a weekly basis, Valverde is the guy who is in control of their fitness regimes.

Get out of here calling other people ignorant when you give Valverde a clean slate on what has been a poorly performing Barca team for 3 months and is only now beginning to get exposed.

And you can't claim that the amount of chances created in this match is even comparable to the limited amount of chances in the loss vs Juventus.

No, that's not my argument. Get some reading comprehension. My argument is very simple. In this particular match against Celta the reason for the points lost is down to individual errors and missed opportunities from certain individuals. It has nothing to do with Valverde's tactics or a lack a collective cohesiveness. No, this match - check again - this match has been a failure because of lack of quality individually.

It's very ignorant to blame Valverde for this loss of points, and it shows a clear and present bias against him. That bias may be fair and based on arguments, which I also can agree on, when one considers other matches, but not in this particular match. No way at all.

 

[Neymessi]

The first goal we conceeded was pique having a brainfart which led to a distorted offside trap similar to how we were able to score our second goal and the second goal was due to umitit giving up midway because of a hamstring.

Defnitely not tactics to blame just because we conceeded. Teams conceede goal all the time.

I have been a huge EV criticizer but I can't hate on him now. You honestly can't ask more of him than to play good with the team we have and we did. I was against him when we were winning but playing like shit, but not now.

 

[Jakabor]

The first goal we conceeded was pique having a brainfart which led to a distorted offside trap similar to how we were able to score our second goal and the second goal was due to umitit giving up midway because of a hamstring.

Defnitely not tactics to blame just because we conceeded. Teams conceede goal all the time.

I have been a huge EV criticizer but I can't hate on him now. You honestly can't ask more of him than to play good with the team we have and we did. I was against him when we were winning but playing like shit but not now.

Finally a sensible person.

I'd argue Pique was more at fault than Umtiti when Celta equalized, but otherwise I agree with your post.

 

[DHorozov]

Well, we played more open football today, isn't that what most people wanted for months ... maybe now you will realize why Vaverde had chosen to play way more compact football and not shine, but get the result ... because when we play open, with these slow players, we will get exposed on counter by almost every team and no matter who your manager is ...
But I guess if Valverde was not in charge Pique, Paulinho and Messi would not have missed these open goals ... and the referee would not have disallowed that clear goal ...
Oh and Denis was just excellent, surely he deserves more playing time ...

Let's just make a poll and choose someone from the forum to take Valverde's place, I mean everyone could be better than him

 

[Neymessi]

You can't blame him for playing players who have been CONSISTENTLY terrible for 2+ months now?

As I said his lineups and subs are still very weird but at least he is making us play good. If you want to criticize him for starting those 2 then I am with you.

I have a feeling both of them are kind of unbenchable for some reason and benching them could lead to an awkward situation in the dressing room and he doesn't have the balls to bench them.

 

[Devils]

And you can't claim that the amount of chances created in this match is even comparable to the limited amount of chances in the loss vs Juventus.

No, that's not my argument. Get some reading comprehension. My argument is very simple. In this particular match against Celta the reason for the points lost is down to individual errors and missed opportunities from certain individuals. It has nothing to do with Valverde's tactics or a lack a collective cohesiveness. No, this match - check again - this match has been a failure because of lack of quality individually.

It's very ignorant to blame Valverde for this loss of points, and it shows a clear and present bias against him. That bias may be fair and based on arguments, which I also can agree on, when one considers other matches, but not in this particular match. No way at all.

So our lack of individual quality comes down to Suarez, Paco, Messi and Paulinho poorly finishing. Rakitic being trash in midfield and being overrun like he has for the past three months, Paulinho providing very little and Dennis coming on to provide nothing. Pique, Umtiti and Roberto (a player who should be playing midfield) being poor in the backline.

On top of that Semedo our fastest defender is being benched for against a team known for fast counter attacks.

It's almost as if all of this lack of individual quality is a result of a systemic issue.

And you go on and on about how Valverde doesn't hold any blame in this. Too bad you can't see the obvious.

Rubbish, absolute rubbish.

It's hilarious you call other people ignorant.

 

[BBZ8800]

There can be no excuse for how we seem to crumble at almost every counter our opponents unleash. There has to be better coaching that can improve how to deal with counter attacks.

Barcelona is crumbling on almost every counter since 1995'.

Van Gaal, early 2000s, Rijkaard, Pep, new coaches.

That's a product of our style when we play with 10 players in the opponent's half and with fullbacks going into the opponent's box often.
It is almost impossible to attack all the time, keep possession and pass around the box and NOT to be prone to counters.

 

[Stoichkov1]

Barcelona is crumbling on almost every counter since 1995'.

Van Gaal, early 2000s, Rijkaard, Pep, new coaches.

That's a product of our style when we play with 10 players in the opponent's half and with fullbacks going into the opponent's box often.
It is almost impossible to attack all the time, keep possession and pass around the box and NOT to be prone to counters.

That's why it's actually ok to park the bus like an italian or Mourinho team once you have the lead to protect the result.