Ernesto Valverde - V1

[henias]

Full Valverde Pre-Match Press Conference (13/04/18):

Valverde: "It's not the worst time of my career, sure. It's a bad time, I can't deny it, but I'm fine."

Valverde: "Messi is touched like everyone, but waiting for the ball to roll again."

Valverde: "I do not know many things, but you know that when you sign for a team like this, you have deal with the criticism."

Valverde: "The reaction of the public will depend on our response. We need ten points to win this title."

Valverde: "I have nothing to say about Piqué and Messi asking me for explanations because there was nothing like that."

Valverde: "No, the Barça style has not been betrayed in Rome at any time."

Valverde: "I am expecting the same Valencia as always. They are in the middle of a great run with a system that is bringing great success. They are having an excellent season."

Fcking hell, he just seemed very nonchalant and complacent. Wont see him change any of his stubborn ways even in the next season.

 

[FCBfan22]

Barca style hasn't been betrayed.

STFU and GTFO.

 

[Sorin]

Valverde: "No, the Barça style has not been betrayed in Rome at any time."


"No, the Barça style has not been betrayed in Rome at any time."

"No, the Barça style has not been betrayed in Rome at any time."


"No, the Barça style has not been betrayed in Rome at any time."


"No, the Barça style has not been betrayed in Rome at any time."

How the hell can you say that with a straight face after the shit we pulled in Rome?

Has the brain left his noggin or what?

 

[BBZ8800]

Damn we should've just send the basketball team for the CL, nobody would match their height.

Reducing everything to physicality and especially height is complete bs. A tall or strong guy still does jack for you if you don't have the right tactics and actually fit players. It's not like we were dominating, creating chances, defending well and then we suddenly lost because Roma scored one header after the other from crosses.

The problem these days is not only that we lack physical strength. I mean that always can be a factor, look at Chelsea matches back then for example they were a world class physical team that will obviously give you problems here if you're weaker in every duel. BUT we were always the team with a far superior passing, had the better skills in 1v1s, could control the game. Now we don't even have that advantage anymore, the coach doesn't give us an edge, the passing doesn't, we don't have speed OR strength etc. We not only have Messi not doing defense but a lot of our players lack it and/or are slow as hell. You simply can't press an opponent like that, but we also can't keep the ball or defend properly. Stamina and speed are very important factors too on the physical side and you don't need a muscle packed 2m fighter to have these. Valverde is also part of the problem here, Sergio Pique Suarez etc played way too much especially considering they are all around 30 playing that much for years. No wonder they always look so slow/tired in these type of games.

Better midfield would change a lot for us believe it or not and just buying workhorses for the sake of having workhorses isn't the solution here. Coutinho and Arthur is the right direction on the technical side. More young, technical and fast players are still needed tho.

I will always post this match every time for all defenders of short players:
Gerard-Xavi-Deco-Iniesta, a dream of all supporters of technical players.

If you'll ever find the whole match somewhere on the internet, please take a seat and watch it.
90 minutes of a horror show.
We were eaten alive in every aspect of a game.
** oh, and we were knocked out by a goal after a corner, what a surprise. Who would have expected that with our ultra-short squad?
I am shocked.

A match against Roma was a romantic comedy compared to this how outmuscled we were in every single duel.

Barca/Pep/Spain are yet to win a CL without Xavi.
Short players worked while the brain of TikiTaka, Xavi himself, was there.

Also, we don't need to go into extremes.
We don't need to buy 190 cm trees.
But why are we the only team in the world obssessed with the shortest players, with zero muscles and with a schoolboy attitude without too much courage?
Our 2 new midfielders are Coutinho who has never seen a gym and Arthur who has some muscles, but is again very short and quite slow already at the age of 22.

Remember, Barca's famous philosophy with short, technical players, won only 1 CL in 110 years, WITHOUT Messi.
More or less, every single big team won more CLs than us, when you remove Messi from the maths.

Even in the future, remove Messi from the maths, do you think that a physically weak team consisted of Busi, Arthur, Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele will win CLs?
Lel, good luck with that one.

 

[Neymessi]

Fucking moron. Unbelievable that majority of barca fans only now realize how shit he is when ppl kept making excuses for him all season.

 

[Raketa10]

I will always post this match every time for all defenders of short players:
Gerard-Xavi-Deco-Iniesta, a dream of all supporters of technical players.

If you'll ever find the whole match somewhere on the internet, please take a seat and watch it.
90 minutes of a horror show.
We were eaten alive in every aspect of a game.

A match against Roma was a romantic comedy compared to this how outmuscled we were in every single duel.

Barca/Pep/Spain are yet to win a CL without Xavi.
Short players worked while the brain of TikiTaka, Xavi himself, was there.

Also, we don't need to go into extremes.
We don't need to buy 190 cm trees.
But why are we the only team in the world obssessed with the shortest players, with zero muscles and with a schoolboy attitude without too much courage?
Our 2 new midfielders are Coutinho who has never seen a gym and Arthur who has some muscles, but is again very short and quite slow already at the age of 22.

Remember, Barca's famous philosophy with short, technical players, won only 1 CL in 110 years, WITHOUT Messi.
More or less, every single big team won more CLs than us, when you remove Messi from the maths.

Even in the future, remove Messi from the maths, do you think that a physically weak team consisted of Busi, Arthur, Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele will win CLs?
Lel, good luck with that one.

Can't understand your obsession with small players? There are good and bad players and not short and tall ones. We are not obsessed with short players but with good ones. Gomes is pretty tall and how has that ended??? Ibrahimovic is a fucking skyscraper and how has that ended against Inter?

Let's talk about MUN. Do they have short players? How many CL have they won in recent years?
Let's talk about Chelsea. Do they have short players? How many CL have they won in recent years?
Let's talk about Tottenham. Do they have short players? How many CL have they won in recent years?
Let's talk about Juve,Inter, PSG... This is not basketball mate.

Do you really want me to continue?

When we had the biggest number of "midgets" in our team we had the best team in our history and it was not ONLY about Xavi! It was about Messi, Xavi, Inieta, Busi, Puyol, Etc. It was also about the manager who had brains and balls and not about manager who first thought that playing Suarez as a LW was actually a good idea, who than thought that Vidal is better than Dembele, or that a player can play 5.000 minutes per season and still perform. That same manager made his first sub in 81st minute and as things stand right now he will be our manager next season. We can buy ourselves 5 players who are 1.90m tall and can bench-press 200 kilos but this would't change anything except we would be tall and bad. What we need is a proper world class manager who is prepared to build a new team and who is not afraid to give a chance to Alena or Dembele or even bench Suarez or Umtiti. That is what we truly need.

 

[MessiCam]

That Valverde presser has pissed me off even more.

The asshole clearly has delusions of grandeur.

 

[Sorin]

Coutinho was thriving in Liverpool in the EPL. Hasn't seen a gym? smh

And short players doesn't mean weak players(Messi, Modric, Isco) and vice-versa, tall players doesn't mean strong players(Gomes, Busquets, even CRonaldo). Of course, you'd always want players to posses both qualities but I rather see a game based on passes on the pitch rather than hoof-ball with the likes of Fellaini.

EDIT: Anyways the categories shouldn't be tall, weak, short and strong. Should be great, good, mediocre and poor players. I mean, everyone should realize that by now. Unless you have an agenda. Also there's more than throwing great players on the pitch and hope you win just by that. Good/great managerial staff is also very important as seen with what happened in Rome and a dozen or so matches in this La Liga where we looked poor. Fucking Las Palmas and Eibar played us off the pitch at times. If someone tells me with a straight face that it happened because we had a weaker, shorter squad than them, then they can GTFO with that shit.

Btw Chelsea that year didn't win CL. Hell they eliminated us after Terry(IIRC) mugged Valdes for their 4th goal. Straight foul not given by the ref. What a weak example. lmao

EDIT2: It was Carvalho.

 

[khaled_a_d]

"According to reports by Spanish TV Show El Chiringuito, backed up by Catalan newspaper Sport, Messi had strong words towards his boss after Barcelona's particular Waterloo against Roma, questioning his methods and his inability to change the game's tide when things got tough.

Messi left the pitch without shaking anyone's hand on his way to the dressing room, where he allegedly waited for his team-mates and coach to vent his frustration.


So far, Messi and Valverde barely had any disagreements, but Messi's puns against the coach could be a sign of things to come for the Blaugrana side.

The aforementioned reports state that Messi's thoughts were backed up by Gerard Piqué, who decided to join "La Pulga" in criticizing Valverde's tactics. According to Piqué and Messi, Valverde's defensive approach was crucial to see them exit the UEFA Champions League in spectacular fashion."

Messi should have no power in kicking coach out, specially considering he is one of the main reason we won't have a better midfield play with his insistence to be the playmaker of the team

 

[DonAK]

Messi should have no power in kicking coach out, specially considering he is one of the main reason we won't have a better midfield play with his insistence to be the playmaker of the team

To be fair it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't problem with Messi. If he doesn't act as a playmaker he will in all likelihood never get the ball as the midfield currently is inept at bringing the ball forward, like we could see vs Roma when Messi was the most advanced player.

Iniesta would rather pass sideways than try a risky forward pass and Rakitic is well....Rakitic.

This is why we suck. If Messi is not our playmaker we're doomed and since he has to be our playmaker he is farther away from the goal than he should be as he's our biggest goalscoring threat, probably our only legit goalscoring threat against opposition in the CL.

 

[Sorin]

Messi should have no power in kicking coach out, specially considering he is one of the main reason we won't have a better midfield play with his insistence to be the playmaker of the team

Then Valverde should pack his bags fast, as he can't make Messi play more advanced.

Not to mention that what you said makes no sense to me. So Messi is at fault for us not having good midfield play? What?

 

[khaled_a_d]

To be fair it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't problem with Messi. If he doesn't act as a playmaker he will in all likelihood never get the ball as the midfield currently is inept at bringing the ball forward, like we could see vs Roma when Messi was the most advanced player.

Iniesta would rather pass sideways than try a risky forward pass and Rakitic is well....Rakitic.

This is why we suck. If Messi is not our playmaker we're doomed and since he has to be our playmaker he is farther away from the goal than he should be as he's our biggest goalscoring threat, probably our only legit goalscoring threat against opposition in the CL.

It is about the set up we had for so long now, even before Iniesta getting older and Rakitic getting used in being just a workhorse.

Then Valverde should pack his bags fast, as he can't make Messi play more advanced.

Not to mention that what you said makes no sense to me. So Messi is at fault for us not having good midfield play? What?

Can anyone make Messi play more advanced? he has been doing this since Tata took over.
And Messi played a big role unfortunately,everything need to be run throw him. He is the all time greatest player. No doubt, but he has been making it difficult for team to be able to suit him. when he played RW our midfield and attack were perfect, he dropped again and shit started to happen. It isn't only factor obviously.

 

[henias]

Messi should have no power in kicking coach out, specially considering he is one of the main reason we won't have a better midfield play with his insistence to be the playmaker of the team

Funny coming frm you. Messi has saved EV's unbeaten run this season, and he looked the only threat against Chelsea because of how slow and conservative we were playing. Worst of all the coach decides to strip off Dembele who linked up with Messi and even scored from a Messi assist. Even without Messi, Barcelona wont look any better against Rome who kept Suarez and Roberto in their pockets.

If u think Messi is the main problem then I have no comments.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Funny coming frm you. Messi has saved EV's unbeaten run this season, and he looked the only threat against Chelsea because of how slow and conservative we were playing. Worst of all the coach decides to strip off Dembele who linked up with Messi and even scored from a Messi assist. Even without Messi, Barcelona wont look any better against Rome who kept Suarez and Roberto in their pockets.

If u think Messi is the main problem then I have no comments.

I didn't say he is the main problem, and EV deserve a lot of criticism
What I said is very clear:
1-No player,even Messi should have power in kicking coach out, regardless the name of the coach.
2-Messi himself has causes tactical problem for the team specially for midfield. The team set up is to make Messi do what he does best, stay between the lines , get the ball whenever he want and be play maker, he need to have a striker in front of him and workhorses to protect midfield behind him. That hinder the overall team. That doesn't make EV out of fault, don't put words in my mouth

 

[Devils]

Tactics are one thing, mentality is another. You can have shitty tactics but if your mentality is right it can get you through.

Valverde's mentality is what is to blame. He went in with the mentality of us being a small club going into Rome. And fuck him for that.

It's like he didn't watch our comebacks against Milan or PSG. Teams that got a big first game advantage but then went into the second leg scared as pussies to guard their precious result as opposed to playing football.

Look at his quotes in the press conference before the game, he specifically said:

"It's not over, I know Roma can turn this around"

Now it's one thing to say this kind of thing in a press conference out of respect for the opposition or to not show over confidence. But it can also be said out of fear because there are really doubts in the managers head about giving up a 4-1 lead.

And the team he fielded and the tactics he implemented really showed his quotes were out of fear. He went into Rome looking to guard a 4-1 scoreline out of fear as opposed to playing a confident game of football. Basically projected his fear into the tactics and mentality onto the team.

Valverde's approach is EXACTLY that of which I would expect from if a team like Everton or Betis were to play in the CL and get a good result against a top 4 side at home and then go into the second leg out of fear of guarding it and praying to hold off and advance.

Say what you want about his tactics or undefeated run in the league, but this mentality is TOXIC and it needs to go.

A total coward.

^^So my post yesterday was summed up by Strootman today, albeit in a much shorter quote.

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