ini4ever
Member
What the fuck does this shit have to do anything with Valverde thread, so what's next we gotta find out whether someone is real or fake, seriously you come to the forum to find out "rats" ?
What the fuck does this shit have to do anything with Valverde thread, so what's next we gotta find out whether someone is real or fake, seriously you come to the forum to find out "rats" ?
Don't want to rain on Valverde's parade but he will have to do a lot more to convince me. We've mostly played shit brand of football under him and that's inexcusable for Barca and especially Barca in Messi era.
I want to think this manita could be a turning point, I really do. I guess there is always hope.
I want to think this manita could be a turning point, I really do. I guess there is always hope.
Xaviniesta
Senior Member
I have a feeling that this guy is the ousmane dembele troll who keeps getting his accounts banned yet is still obsessed with stirring shit in this forum. He definitely sounds like him
Messigician
Senior Member
Looks like some of the rats are getting nervous they'll be exposed for being two faced.
One thing to not believe the coach is a good fit for our club. A whole other thing to secretly hope we lose so people can say ' I told you so'
I know the people that were discussing the clasico live in the match chat they are the opinions I will listen to at least they're real.
There's people here who have good points about EV where he needs to improve and others who are Madrid fans and just here to stir up controversy and use it as an excuse to badmouth the coach and the team.
I'll be doing some private investigating to weed out more rats I have found 2 already and will post my findings in the relevent chat with evidence.
One thing to not believe the coach is a good fit for our club. A whole other thing to secretly hope we lose so people can say ' I told you so'
I know the people that were discussing the clasico live in the match chat they are the opinions I will listen to at least they're real.
There's people here who have good points about EV where he needs to improve and others who are Madrid fans and just here to stir up controversy and use it as an excuse to badmouth the coach and the team.
I'll be doing some private investigating to weed out more rats I have found 2 already and will post my findings in the relevent chat with evidence.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
Dont want to take anything away from him yesterday , bu that was seriously one of the worst Real's I have seen in the last 10+ years against Barca. The way Lopetegui set that Real up was pathetic. He setup Real with a Very defensive high line without pressuring Barca upfront, which made it very easy for Barca to exploit
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George_Costanza
Active member
Horatio
You're welcome
Only issue I have with some of the EV criticism is that the bar is raised disproportionally high and he basically needs to be the perfect coach without mistakes to be considered at least capable.
To me he still looks pragmatic. Consider where we've come from from the super defensive tactics at the beginning of his tenure with us solely relying on Messi to score to him slowly reverting to a more and more attacking Barca. I guess the intention is there, but maybe some players were not delivering enough.
We are creating ample chances nowadays and many goals(could easily go up). Team looks more balanced. Many neutral fans already rating Barca as the strongest team at the moment(not sure if I'll agree with that as easily).
Not saying he's the best fit for Barca but think he did well in what was considered Barca's transitional period of having to rebuild. Remember when last year's summer Barca was supposedly in chaos, imploding and it would be end of the club?
To me he still looks pragmatic. Consider where we've come from from the super defensive tactics at the beginning of his tenure with us solely relying on Messi to score to him slowly reverting to a more and more attacking Barca. I guess the intention is there, but maybe some players were not delivering enough.
We are creating ample chances nowadays and many goals(could easily go up). Team looks more balanced. Many neutral fans already rating Barca as the strongest team at the moment(not sure if I'll agree with that as easily).
Not saying he's the best fit for Barca but think he did well in what was considered Barca's transitional period of having to rebuild. Remember when last year's summer Barca was supposedly in chaos, imploding and it would be end of the club?
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George_Costanza
Active member
This is FC Barcelona, not Istanbul Basaksehir, we don't except mediocracy here.
Joan
Well-known member
That's exactly the point. Not perfect = mediocre. For me, not just with Valverde. Been the case for some time.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
People here are getting carried away. The last time we had a big win against Real Madrid 4-0 at the Beau we almost lost liga and Real Madrid did a three peat in cl.
Success can be a double edged sword. I expect Real to run us close with Conte in charge. He will sort out the defense and grind out wins.
Valverde is still overpaying our first 11. You would think Rakitic, Busquets, Suarez and Pique would get some rest but Valverde plays them game in game out. He is scared to play 433 against the smaller teams too.
Success can be a double edged sword. I expect Real to run us close with Conte in charge. He will sort out the defense and grind out wins.
Valverde is still overpaying our first 11. You would think Rakitic, Busquets, Suarez and Pique would get some rest but Valverde plays them game in game out. He is scared to play 433 against the smaller teams too.
xXKonan
Senior Member
The 5-0 Game vs Real I would classify as an elegant brutal beatdown. Just textbook technical masterclass beatdown of the most expensive squad in the world at the time.
This 5-1 Game vs Real, while wasn't elegant as the 2010 game. It was still what I consider a Raw savage beatdown. For 70 mins, especially towards the end it really felt like we could have just kept it going and racking up the goals because of how horrible Real was during the game bar that 20 minute stretch they had.
I have to guess how Madrid fans felt in the Classico was probably the same I felt when we played Bayern in 2013 under Tito, where we lost 7-0 in two legs. Just felt so hopeless at the time because of the problems we had and Messi not being fit either.
This 5-1 Game vs Real, while wasn't elegant as the 2010 game. It was still what I consider a Raw savage beatdown. For 70 mins, especially towards the end it really felt like we could have just kept it going and racking up the goals because of how horrible Real was during the game bar that 20 minute stretch they had.
I have to guess how Madrid fans felt in the Classico was probably the same I felt when we played Bayern in 2013 under Tito, where we lost 7-0 in two legs. Just felt so hopeless at the time because of the problems we had and Messi not being fit either.
henias
New member
You see, here's the thing. Why do people keep harping on the transitional period? Last season's signing has already been done.This season's signing has already been done too. Notice earlier this season people were complaining the squad is still not good enough, Arthur not proven, Lenglet is shit, Malcom who? Even Busquets is old and useless. Now all of a sudden EV supporters recognise this is the "strongest team at the moment"?
Yes, I agree he did great to maintain a sort of level after last year's summer, I'll give him credit to that. But after that, it's time to get into business and establish a fresh squad and system. The impression I get from EV is that he still hardly have any ideas and is too closely guarded with the Lucho's starting Xi and tactics. The only reason EV took a gamble with Arthur is because he dropped Dembele and someone has to fill the gap. But don't forget Arthur has been sitting on the bench for most parts until we won against Tottenham. Now he's using the same lineup just because we won in big games. Notice how he also used the exact same lineup against Madrid, and watch how he will keep using the same till the end of the season. Can easily burn out the squad again like what happened in Roma.
Bar isn't raised high, it's because some people are simply choose to ignore problems. I mean some of the most basic things like making a sub on time or using all 3 of the subs to keep the team sharp and fresh the whole season and change the game. How hard is that? For a supposedly "professional coach", if you can't even do that, it's honestly embarassing. Let alone trying to nurture and develop young and talented players here.
No one is saying he has to be perfect, but at least someone who learns from mistakes. But if he isn't a good fit, then you can't force him. He's decent for a temporary coach, but that's about it, I wouldnt give him 3 seasons honestly.
People only come back here to rave about EV after a result but then never addressed problems which end up spiralling into end of the season. He did what many of us wanted against Madrid, which is to adapt to the game, but he hasnt been showing that since the start. And it's still a big question if he will continue like that. Big problems with rotations, not resting Pique, Rakitic or Suarez. He will need to do much more to convince.
Aryagorn
Improvin' Perfection!!
Cry me a river!
Rafinha was having a horrendous game - Was neither helping in keeping the possession nor helping the attack! Giving all the freedom in the world to Marcelo to go berserk on our defense and mid field. And oh btw - it was Marcelo who scored their only goal, the header that Ramos missed came down their left flank and the one that they hit the post also had a lot of inter-play between their mid and left flank! I would of course have brought on Dembele instead of a useless player on the pitch and pushed Marcelo back to his position.
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DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
This win was impressive because we played without Messi and didn't look toothless/lost, but I find it funny how people are jumping to think beating this bum of an RM side is a grand achievement. Their record this season in all comps is 6 wins, 6 losses, and 2 draws and they sit in 9th place in the table. We might as well have beaten freaking Watford or Everton. Lopetegui has this team as dysfunctional as they could possibly be.
Clasicos are always shootouts in the first place. End to end, limited defense on both sides and in this case absolutely no pressing from RM with a suicidal high line. Even in Barca's worst seasons and RM's best we've always been able to win or make it super competitive. This extends to Tata's year and Lucho's worst season as well, so EV is no trailblazer in this regard. And this is in RM's worst season in a long, long time while playing at the Camp Nou.
The Tottenham win at Wembley was a far superior achievement than this.
I think EV has certainly turned a corner in terms of performances from the early season shockers we saw, and that is largely due to his decision to slot Arthur into the starting lineup. Kudos for that, but he will still have to overcome the defensive issues his setup has with Umtiti's injury and Roberto at RB. We also have other problems like Suarez's CL scoring rate (we can't go into the KO stages with only Messi and maybe Cou finishing chances) and Roberto's dropoff in CL performance compared to La Liga.
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