Ernesto Valverde - V1

[serghei]

La Liga 2009:
Real 78 points, 10 defeats.
Barca goal ratio: 105:35
Real goal ratio: 83:52, lol

2009: Real lost in 1/8 of a CL to Liverpool with 0:1 and 0:4.
So, Real conceded 52 goals in La liga, and their goal ratio in a CL was 9:10 in total, hahaha.

In 2010: Real got knocked out again in a CL's 1/8 by Lyon with 2:1 aggregate.
In 2009: Real got knocked out again in a CL's 1/8 by Liverpool with 5:0 aggregate.
In 2008: Real got knocked out again in a CL's 1/8 by Roma with 4:2 aggregate.
in 2007: Real got knocked out again in a CL's 1/8 by Bayern with 4:4 aggregate.
In 2006: Real got knocked out AGAIN in a CL's 1/8 by Arsenal with 1:0 aggregate.
In 2005: Real got knocked out AGAIN in a CL's 1/8 by Juventus with 2:1 on aggregate.

So, for 4 years in a row BEFORE Pep, mighty Real from back then was getting knocked out in 1/8 of a CL every single year, by anyone.
And then, in the first 2 Pep's years, Real is again kncoked out in 1/8 of a CL.
So, Pep had to fight against a team who was a total mess and a circus, compared to a current era.

Today, EV has to fight against a team who won 4 CLs in a 5 years.

So, no, please, TELL ME MORE how Pep's manitas are better and have more weight against that mickey mouse level compared to a Real who has broke all records in a CL in the last 5 years.

Reading some posts here, I often get an impression that a mighty Pep had to play against 11 robots, and a poor, crappy EV is winning against horrible teams who play with 80 year old grannies in their team and playing barefoot.

In short:
Real Madrid and EVERY SINGLE opponent against whom we played back then in the days of mighty Pep:

Real Madrid and every single opponent against whom we win today under EV:

Cool story.

Dude, you're a CL fanatic. You toss aside 6-7 months in a full season and you judge teams based in a couple of games in CL.

The Madrid team from 2010-11 is better than every Madrid side Valverde faced, last year's, or this year's.

 

[El Gato]

The Madrid team from 2010-11 is better than every Madrid side Valverde faced, last year's, or this year's.

Hahaha

Unreal.

Pepe, Albiol, Ramos RB, Arbeloa, Khedira and Higuain out mid-season with a disc hernia. All of that is now better than the team we had last year.

The bloody lengths you go to

 

[khaled_a_d]

The Madrid team from 2010-11 is better than every Madrid side Valverde faced, last year's, or this year's.

wtf?

Dude, you're a CL fanatic. You toss aside 6-7 months in a full season and you judge teams based in a couple of games in CL.

half of this forum judges coaches only based on CL. we win league because Messi and lose CL because of coaches.

 

[Xaviniesta]

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I literally did not say any of this. All I did was point out the nonsense you wrote saying Madrid under pep was "shit"

You drunk or did you reply to the wrong person?

edit: and your pointless essay still doesnt change the fact that madrid were not shit during pep's era

 

[Xaviniesta]

But where has the argument that La Liga overall has gotten stronger in recent years gone all of a sudden?

What aare you talking about? All i did was point out that madrid during pep werent "shit"

 

[God Serena]

I think he deserves full credit for beating Real Madrid. 5-1 is a great result. Amazing, even. He made good subs and and not only did we beat Real Madrid, we utterly embarrassed them. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Real Madrid under Lopetgui was one of the worst Madrid sides I've ever seen. They could barely register a goal, never mind pick up an actual win. This "Form goes out the window in El Clasico" mentality is what really went out the window when Lopetgui was in charge, and the scoreline reflected this. I would have loved to see us beat Girona, Leganes, Bilbao, and Valencia to actually make this win more than the moral victory that it is, and he's got to provide results like this consistently for me to be convinced he's not the same Retardo Valverde that sent us packing from the CL and gave us such a terrible start to our season. He could start by integrating youth and rotating his squad. He clearly never wanted to use Arthur until one day he gave him the start randomly and was forced to finally give him minutes. The same people who lambasted Arthur as not playing because he wasn't good enough now praise him for making changes, and it'll be the exact same story if/when the same happens for Alena or Malcom.

My biggest fear is reliving the Roma debacle and, no matter how much certain posters may try to wave it away as a fluke or something that isn't so important, I consider such a result to be the worst case scenario. I don't care if he wins the double, I truly do not. This is not a thing only he can do. It is no longer impressive, especially when our only real competition for La Liga is sitting in 9th place. The two things most important to the club now should be making a good CL run (Even if we don't win it), and developing young players so we're able to remain competitive in the future without having to splash enormous sums of money on the football worlds latest flavor of the week. These are things we need a quality manager for, and, 5-1 or not, Valverde has proven himself not to be the man who can do those for us.

 

[Trickykid]

...to actually make this win more than the moral victory that it is...

Whut?

 

[BarçaBarça]

Glad his name is back.

But why not Valverdependencia?

 

[DonAndres]

La Liga 2009:
Real 78 points, 10 defeats.
Barca goal ratio: 105:35
Real goal ratio: 83:52, lol

2009: Real lost in 1/8 of a CL to Liverpool with 0:1 and 0:4.
So, Real conceded 52 goals in La liga, and their goal ratio in a CL was 9:10 in total, hahaha.

In 2010: Real got knocked out again in a CL's 1/8 by Lyon with 2:1 aggregate.
In 2009: Real got knocked out again in a CL's 1/8 by Liverpool with 5:0 aggregate.
In 2008: Real got knocked out again in a CL's 1/8 by Roma with 4:2 aggregate.
in 2007: Real got knocked out again in a CL's 1/8 by Bayern with 4:4 aggregate.
In 2006: Real got knocked out AGAIN in a CL's 1/8 by Arsenal with 1:0 aggregate.
In 2005: Real got knocked out AGAIN in a CL's 1/8 by Juventus with 2:1 on aggregate.

So, for 4 years in a row BEFORE Pep, mighty Real from back then was getting knocked out in 1/8 of a CL every single year, by anyone.
And then, in the first 2 Pep's years, Real is again kncoked out in 1/8 of a CL.
So, Pep had to fight against a team who was a total mess and a circus, compared to a current era.

Today, EV has to fight against a team who won 4 CLs in a 5 years.

So, no, please, TELL ME MORE how Pep's manitas are better and have more weight against that mickey mouse level compared to a Real who has broke all records in a CL in the last 5 years.

Reading some posts here, I often get an impression that a mighty Pep had to play against 11 robots, and a poor, crappy EV is winning against horrible teams who play with 80 year old grannies in their team and playing barefoot.

In short:
Real Madrid and EVERY SINGLE opponent against whom we played back then in the days of mighty Pep:

Real Madrid and every single opponent against whom we win today under EV:

Cool story.

Is this a serious post? You pull out results from 5 years prior to 2010 and say that is "Pep's era RM" while also claiming the RM team we just beat is at height of their CL winning? You also pull out the ONLY season in Pep's era where RM were more than 5 points behind us in the league talk about cherrypicking. And people on this forum lap this up? Lol, the circlejerking here really is something.

RM hadn't even gone through their 2nd galactico transformation until 2009/10, when they bought Ronaldo/Alonso/Kaka/Benzema. They were still without Ozil/Di Maria at this point as well.

And in 2009/10 Real Madrid were still only 3 points behind us in the league despite that having been Messi's first outrageous statistical season (the kind no one had anticipated in Europe at the time) and arguably Xavi's best individual season ever. As well as Busquets first breakout year and half the Spain NT in the buildup to their world cup winning campaign.

Don't talk about CL when RM were mentally weak in CL prior to 2014 and uncommonly resilient after that, as well as the fact that we NEVER played the threepeat RM at the height of their performance (CL level) and instead played them in La Liga where they were much weaker. They won CL last year but were fucking 20 points behind in La Liga half way through the season. Completely incomparable.

In 3 out of the 4 years they won CL since Pep left they were definitively worse than us in La Liga, we did not play them in their best competition.

They did not play at their best in La Liga, period. Unless you think winning La Liga requires you to play at a higher ceiling than winning the CL? Why is it that if EV's version of RM is so superior to the ones Pep faced that NONE of those teams were behind us by 10+ points let alone 20+ by winter? You seem to really believe that us playing them in La liga in the past few years is the same as the way they played in the CL.

And the funniest thing you've completely ignored (clearly on purpose I might add) is that we just thrashed a side that got rid of Zidane and Ronaldo over the summer, as well as appointing a complete failure of a manager who has fucked up their tactics.

 

[BarçaBarça]

So now league is hard to win?

Next you'll say football is hard to play.

Everything good is due to Valverde and everything bad is due to others

Face it we should have been like 8 points ahead of Madrid with their shit start and we didn't capitalize. What excuses does Valverde have this season?

"But but he doesn't have a bench" -- He has now

"But but this is his first season. Give him time" -- This is his second season.

"But but results" -- He ain't getting results now is he

Valverde fanboys will blame the competition, RFEF, FIFA, football, our players, the pitch, the weather, China, Kardashians, even God but won't blame their supreme leader

7 points now + advantage in head-to-head with Real - close enough or still a fraud?

 

[Cule4life]

7 points now + advantage in head-to-head with Real - close enough or still a fraud?

Hahaha conveniently reappearing after a string of good results are we

 

[CatalinR10]

7 points now + advantage in head-to-head with Real - close enough or still a fraud?

should have been like +17

 

[Horatio]

What aare you talking about? All i did was point out that madrid during pep werent "shit"

You also indirectly pointed out Barca's strength during that time by bringing up record points. My point is maybe this Barca is not far off in strength from that Barca, but competition has just become more leveled.

 

[Nothanks]

when we went nearly undefeated last season and lead the league by nearly 20 pts it was not enough and league was a "joke"

now he needs to be leading by +17 despite being first

the standards lol

 

[Alik]

when we went nearly undefeated last season and lead the league by nearly 20 pts it was not enough and league was a "joke"

now he needs to be leading by +17 despite being first

the standards lol

Who ever claimed the league was joke?

On the other hand, Real Madrid were a joke last season in the league and are an even bigger joke this season.