Ernesto Valverde - V1

[Horatio]

Add to that it has been a long time to see barca play with this level of focus and composure and support among players. We have had very few defensive brainfarts defensively. Team seems content and confident. But people well tell you Valverde had 0 input.

We might have been lucky, but why would compare us to Madrid whom also relied on favourable referee decisions to win it?

We are doing it completely without the help of referees.

 

[George_Costanza]

And that's a problem because? Jesus.

Sit back. Relax. Have a drink. Enjoy Messi while he's here and you're lucky enough to see him in the mood to watch screamers.

Not a problem at all. When did I say it's a problem winning? You actually answered the issue I have with some here.

The problem is when we have delusional fans who give credit to the manager for a win he had nothing to do with. You said it yourself. It's Messi.

Those fans, posting in this thread praising Valverde and never bothered posting in Messi's thread at all. Do you see what's my problem?

 

[kilian]

Those stats are all okay and nice, but they don`t paint a real picture. Lpool had some very good chances today, especially the one when Salah hit the post. It definitely wasn`t a defensive masterclass nor a football masterclass. For the bigger part of the game we were shit in build up and gave them the ball a number of times in dangerous positions.
The one thing I`ll give Valverde today is Semedo substitution which gave us more balance with Roberto going to wide midfielder spot. Although it was most likely a defensive sub, it worked out very well in the end.

 

[serghei]

Fun fact.

Valverde on Camp Nou vs English sides in the knockout phase.

3-0 Chelsea
3-0 United
3-0 Liverpool

9-0 overall.

 

[El Gato]

Not a problem at all. When did I say it's a problem winning? You actually answered the issue I have with some here.

The problem is when we have delusional fans who give credit to the manager for a win he had nothing to do with. You said it yourself. It's Messi.

Those fans, posting in this thread praising Valverde and never bothered posting in Messi's thread at all. Do you see what's my problem?

No, I don't. Fans always post in the Messi thread and come here to routinely shit on EV. And that's despite his setup of 30-year olds limiting the back-end liability to minimum permitting you to enjoy the goal differences that you do manage to inflict upon teams in all competitions.

Doesn't matter. I'm jealous of how you're set up. Because if Messi doesn't switch off, you're guaranteed titles for the next few years.

 

[MagIX]

Im more then happy with the result, but not with team performance, it was poor for camp nou, that said, i dont give a damn as long as barca win this trophie but i personally would like ernesto to leave after this season

I agree, for me the same, i absolutely do not give a fuck this year, i simply want to win the CL

EV ? no problem for me if he goes, but i do not think that he's the main responsable of our "not playing beautifully".

 

[Horatio]

Not a problem at all. When did I say it's a problem winning? You actually answered the issue I have with some here.

The problem is when we have delusional fans who give credit to the manager for a win he had nothing to do with. You said it yourself. It's Messi.

Those fans, posting in this thread praising Valverde and never bothered posting in Messi's thread at all. Do you see what's my problem?

Messi thread attracts less discussion. Most post there praise him and no one will argue those. This thread is where all the actions at.

Yes we rely on Messi, but we have played well in his absence and whenever he had a poor game other players scored. Most teams would rely and look for Messi if they had him in the team. He is the best player out there.

 

[BBZ8800]

Because that's football, luck is a big part of the game. That's how Real, for instance, won multiple consecutive UCLs! Special goals and slices of luck carried them all the way to glory again.

Luck and Messi are carrying us this season.

What is a similarity between that Real and Barca this year?
None of them are playing too attacking, naive football.
Both of them had good defenses.
And both of them had 1 magician upfront who will make a difference.

That's the state of top football in the last 5 years.
France in 2018, Germany in 2014, Chile on Copa Americas, Portugal in 2016, Real 4 times in 5 years, hopefully Barca this season.

Every single of these teams played:
1. cautious
2. not overly possession based football
3. they don't keep possession at all costs and these teams will always boot the ball upfield. You need to minimize risks around your box (what Pep's teams aren't doing).
4. and you will just win titles since you will make LESS DEADLY MISTAKES than your opponents, and/or you have Messi/CR7/Mbappe upfront to grasp 1:0 victories

Knockout matches in the last 7-8 years have turned into:
= MINIMIZE your risks and outwait and outsmart the opponent and wait for his mistakes.
And this crappy type of football is a type with which France won a World cup, how Portugal won Euros, and how Real won their titles, isn't it?

Days where crazy possession game with 10 players in the opponent's half and where you are prone to counters whenever you lose the ball was a winning tactics=are gone.
Look at the results of Spain NT in the last few years and of Pep's teams in Europe.
They can't do shit against more cautious, counterattacking teams.

 

[Joan]

No, I don't. Fans always post in the Messi thread and come here to routinely shit on EV. And that's despite his setup of 30-year olds limiting the back-end liability to minimum permitting you to enjoy the goal differences that you do manage to inflict upon teams in all competitions.

This.

People constantly ignore that those players are either old or slow. Usually both. And then they wonder how one of the physically most impressive teams in the world created chances against us? Lol.

Valverde did very good job.

 

[BADGERBHOY]

i've just said that i'm not that kind of an idiot to want us to loose

Fair enough but I watch my football teams through emotion and don't miss a game

 

[BADGERBHOY]

Valverde absolutely destroys Klopp, the german was completely clueless, everyday he convince me more and more of his incredible genius

 

[serghei]

6 of 9 goals are Messi's right?

Must be. But the fun part is how we sprayed it evenly, so no fans would say their team did better than the other two .

We even allowed each to have a shot that hit the post. Marcos Alonso for Chelsea, Rashfor for United, Salah for Liverpool. .

Messi scored 2 a piece. Again, don't want to make discriminations between London, Manchester and Liverpool.

 

[MagIX]

This.

People constantly ignore that those players are either old or slow. Usually both. And then they wonder how one of the physically most impressive teams in the world created chances against us? Lol.

Valverde did very good job.

I agree.
I do not know if it is correct, but the commenator on TV said the team has an average of more than 30 y.o., rare for barca.
Hey, the players really gave their soul in this match, very proud, but it's not even appreciated ! only criticisms !

 

[serghei]

This.

People constantly ignore that those players are either old or slow. Usually both. And then they wonder how one of the physically most impressive teams in the world created chances against us? Lol.

Valverde did very good job.

Come on, we showed plenty of energy. It's not an age thing. We tried to lure them and play on the counter. And our forwards were clinical.

 

[Joan]

I agree.
I do not know if it is correct, but the commenator on TV said the team has an average of more than 30 y.o., rare for barca.
Hey, the players really gave their soul in this match, very proud, but it's not even appreciated ! only criticisms !

I calculated right now, around 29. Might've missed someone. But the main ones, Pique, Busquets, Rakitić, Alba, Messi, Suarez... all of them past 30.