Ernesto Valverde

[vegitot]

His mellow personality and flexible approach would be welcomed by many stars in teams such as PSG. In general self-absorbed, lazy, and undisciplined stars don't want drill Seargent types like Klopp and Pep to tell them what to do.

EV is the type that bends to the surroundings and tries to keep the pieces together, knowing full well that the problems are there. He's like someone who is an alcoholic, keeps drinking but not as much, so he somehow makes it work in a not sustainable and ideal way, to the point that he still has a job, a family, and manages to function fairly well.

He's also pragmatic enough to not create extra frictions on his own, but rather soften while not removing the existing issues he faces inside the locker-room. He's like, well, "the situation is mostly shit, players don't really listen to me or recognize me as the leader, can't change it, so might as well find a way to live with it and make it easier for everyone". The only problem is the paths of least resistance almost always lead to abrupt wake-up calls. In those moments you need managers with bolder personality to stand up to the players.

He would be a good mediator-type manager in a flawed team like PSG. But a fierce leader to inspire his players, make them listen to him, and go to battle he is obviously not.

Must be a great coach with great personality to manage team full of mercenaries like PSG.

Pep is the most powerful football coach in the world. It's unfair to compare anyone to him.

 

[BarcaOG]

He made winning league titles look so easy that everyone took it for granted.

quoted for truth

 

[serghei]

Must be a great coach with great personality to manage team full of mercenaries like PSG.

Pep is the most powerful football coach in the world. It's unfair to compare anyone to him.

IMO, lazy, unprofessional, or undisciplined players are best managed with harsher measures than EV is capable of implementing. So, he's not a great manager, because great managers have a way of removing big issues very fast. They don't play around with team essentials like EV is. And they are not flexible or mellow, but decisive and tenacious. EV just softens the problems up until they burst again, and usually downplays the issues themselves to protect the players. What did he say about fitness to protect the lazy stars of the team in front of the media for not putting in enough effort? He downplayed the importance of fitness and athletics. A great manager in that case slams the team for continuously slacking off in a key area of the game.

 

[Catta]

Hope he takes over Real, so our friend Morten can feel the same enjoyment us Barca fans felt while EV was our coach.

 

[serghei]

EV would make a great friend, and in my opinion, he is an excellent person. But everyone has a personality, and he's just not the man you need to make drastic and courageous decisions that would create initial frictions with the players. The bigger the players, the bigger the problems a bold approach causes. To make those decisions means you have to be comfortable with being hated, and maybe go all the way to not having a problem if you lose your job. You need thicker skin so to speak. He doesn't have that toughness that someone like Simeone, Pep, Klopp, Guardiola, Tuchel has. Rather than being the one rocking the boat, he expects the boat to be steady as a pre-condition. He needs and expects the change to come from somewhere else.

Players had power at Amigo Barca, and players have power at PSG too. A manager like EV will be good in those environments as long as you trim down your expectations. You will be good because comfortable stars can produce top-class football with the talent they have, but you will never be a tough competitor mentally or in terms of athletics because for that talent is not and never was enough.

 

[vegitot]

IMO, lazy, unprofessional, or undisciplined players are best managed with harsher measures than EV is capable of implementing. So, he's not a great manager, because great managers have a way of removing big issues very fast. They don't play around with team essentials like EV is. And they are not flexible or mellow, but decisive and tenacious. EV just softens the problems up until they burst again, and usually downplays the issues themselves to protect the players. What did he say about fitness to protect the lazy stars of the team in front of the media for not putting in enough effort? He downplayed the importance of fitness and athletics. A great manager in that case slams the team for continuously slacking off in a key area of the game.

To remove some biggest issue in club require much more than just a coach. Look at how Barca were after EV under Setien then Koeman.

Even Pep could not ask a younger Messi press or defend.

 

[vegitot]

Hope he takes over Real, so our friend Morten can feel the same enjoyment us Barca fans felt while EV was our coach.

Like losing 1-5 in Clasico???

 

[RF20]

EV would make a great friend, and in my opinion, he is an excellent person. But everyone has a personality, and he's just not the man you need to make drastic and courageous decisions that would create initial frictions with the players. The bigger the players, the bigger the problems a bold approach causes. To make those decisions means you have to be comfortable with being hated, and maybe go all the way with not having a problem if you lose your job. You need thicker skin so to speak. He doesn't have that toughness that someone like Simeone, Pep, Klopp, Guardiola, Tuchel has. Rather than being the one rocking the boat, he expects the boat to be steady as a pre-condition. He needs and expects the change to come from somewhere else.

You guys will cry about "style of play" and "philosophy" if someone with toughness like Simeone or Conte come.

 

[serghei]

You guys will cry about "style of play" and "philosophy" if someone with toughness like Simeone or Conte come.

Sure. Because we had great teams who had everything. Multiple times. When you have everything it's hard to accept managers who think you have to ditch one to get the other.

We need some 10 years of really bad shit for us to take a Simeone type.

We want our style of play (which is pretty flexible, only some parts are non-negotiable) with intensity. That's it.

 

[serghei]

To remove some biggest issue in club require much more than just a coach. Look at how Barca were after EV under Setien then Koeman.

Even Pep could not ask a younger Messi press or defend.

Requires more than just a manager, but the right manager always plays a big part. So to be a leader is sometimes not enough if other pieces aren't right, but it is always necessary.

 

[RF20]

Sure. Because we had great teams who had everything. Multiple times. When you have everything it's hard to accept managers who think you have to ditch one to get the other.

We need some 10 years of really bad shit for us to take a Simeone type.

We want our style of play (which is pretty flexible, only some parts are non-negotiable) with intensity. That's it.

Wpuld you be fine with Klopp's style of play? He also demands total authority over team selection and will kick out any lazy veteran even if they're club legends


Let's see. If the Xavi experiment fails, which top coach will suit you guys: Tuchel will easily fall out with your board. Pep probably won't return. Other world class coaches don't have your philosophy. Will Barca ever hire another proper world class coach or will they wait for these newbies to become world class at Barca like it happened with Pep all those years ago?

 

[serghei]

Wpuld you be fine with Klopp's style of play?


Let's see. If the Xavi experiment fails, which top coach will suit you guys: Tuchel will easily fall out with your board. Pep probably won't return. Other world class coaches don't have your philosophy. Will Barca ever hire another proper world class coach or will they wait for these newbies to becone world class like it happened with Pep all those years ago?

Klopp plays 4-3-3, similar to what we played since a long time. Of course.

 

[vegitot]

Requires more than just a manager, but the right manager always plays a big part. So to be a leader is sometimes not enough if other pieces aren't right, but it is always necessary.

Did Mourinho or even Conte now fix all Tottenham's problems???

A coach's job is improve results on the pitch. That is 90% of their job. Other issues are mostly the board's responsibility.

They must have same vision. That's something EV and his board didn't share.

 

[RF20]

Klopp plays 4-3-3, similar to what we played since a long time. Of course.

We play lots of diagonals and long balls. In possession through Trent and Robbo we spam a lot of crosses

It's nothing like passing in triangles thing Xavi is trying.

Ten Haag's style of play is much more similar to Barca

 

[serghei]

We play lots of diagonals and long balls. In possession through Trent and Robbo we spam a lot of crosses

It's nothing like passing in triangles thing Xavi is trying.

Ten Haag's style of play is much more similar to Barca

Like I said, we are pretty flexible. Dominating possession is something which Klopp's team do quite often.