Europa League

[El Gato]

Seville is basically what Dortmund wish they could be.
Which speaks volumes about Germany.

That said they're clearly worse than even mid-tier sides in EPL. Them and Villarreal being able to hold on for 1-2 games on the trot vs a tougher opposition is within expectations. That doesn't mean anyone should be picking them to win by default these days.

And most EPL sides are wank mentally because dont have history of dominating Europe season after season so end up bottling at last minute more often.

In the end neutral fans are the losers here as not an ounce of watchable football from any such side on a consistent basis.

 

[mc_lovin]

Bundesliga is underrated af. The league is the most tactically advanced, physical and has high tempo

 

[Birdy]

No, he is right.

Bundesliga much better than LL.
That doesn't translate in good European campaigns for the German teams bar Bayern, because they don't have experience and mentality of doing so.

 

[Jakabor]

Fair enough. Maybe I'm terribly wrong. It's my hot take.

Just rate FDJ and Gavi higher.

If you truly think this you are dumb as fuck.

 

[Birdy]

He wont go there.

Massive family of Chelsea fan, hero is John Terry, came through Chelsea system.

That is where he wants to end up assuming club gets back to 'normal'.

He won't see the md with Kante, Jorginho, and Kovasic
each and every one of them is miles ahead of Declan-boy

 

[JamDav1982]

He won't see the md with Kante, Jorginho, and Kovasic
each and every one of them is miles ahead of Declan-boy

He would soon enough.

Kante and Jorghinho are both over 30.

Kovacic is nothing special.

 

[Birdy]

He would soon enough.

Kante and Jorghinho are both over 30.

Kovacic is nothing special.

Jam "Kovasic is nothing special" Dav

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Retire pal! You can't embarrass yourself enough!

 

[Temptation]

He won't see the md with Kante, Jorginho, and Kovasic
each and every one of them is miles ahead of Declan-boy

Kante is getting on a bit plus he's very injury prone now.

Rice has different qualities to Kovacic and Jorginho.

Rice will easily get playing time.

 

[Temptation]

Jam "Kovasic is nothing special" Dav

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Retire pal! You can't embarrass yourself enough!

Kovacic is very good. But he's not truly world class.

I'd rate him a tad below World Class.

I rate Kovacic higher than Jorginho. But Jorginho is more consistent and reliable.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Bundesliga certainly is physical and has a high tempo, and personally I find it the most entertaining league to watch but I am not sure if it is "tactically advanced".

 

[Temptation]

Klopp, Tuchel, Flick, Nagelsmann, Rose, etc are all considered as flagbearers of the phrase modern day managers. Even Pep coached in the league.


This current trend shows that Germany are very advanced in terms of new coaching talent.

Different kinds of pressing and these techniques have been very prevalent in Bundesliga.

Plus if you notice very rarely you'll see Bundesliga teams park the bus.

The coaches encourage a free flowing and progressive philosophy. They have amazing fitness training staff too using very novel technologies. Even in the data and statistical scouting department(we have mastered this at Liverpool)

This makes the league a hub of young managers with fresh ideas trying new things out.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Klopp, Tuchel, Flick, Nagelsmann, Rose, etc are all considered as flagbearers of the phrase modern day managers. Even Pep coached in the league.


This current trend shows that Germany are very advanced in terms of new coaching talent.

Different kinds of pressing and these techniques have been very prevalent in Bundesliga.

Plus if you notice very rarely you'll see Bundesliga teams park the bus.

The coaches encourage a free flowing and progressive philosophy. They have amazing fitness training staff too using very novel technologies. Even in the data and statistical scouting department(we have mastered this at Liverpool)

This makes the league a hub of young managers with fresh ideas trying new things out.

A lot of what you are saying above is true (fitness training certainly, I wish we could hire Felix Magath as our fitness training specialist ), certainly there have been quite a few relatively young or younger managers that have emerged from Germany recently but I am not sure these have much to do with being "tactically advanced".

To me tactically-aware managers develop tactics that play to his players' and team's strengths and negate/minimize their weaknesses in order to achieve the most desired outcome (winning games), not just as simple as not parking the bus or "free flowing" and "progressive". You manage a middle or bottom of the table club with average or below-average players, and you insist to not park the bus at all and play progressively even against top teams, chances are you will lose. It is like Paco Jemez's Rayo Valecano many years ago, playing attractive possession-based football, hardly parked the bus, achieved some amazing results early on but fizzled out later partly because tactically he was not flexible and adaptable enough. To me that is a bit too idealistic and bordering naive, not "tactically advanced". Sometimes you need to park the bus a bit to give yourself a chance, for example.

Or course, "advanced" is very subjective and I don't know if there is any consensus when it comes to what tactics are considered "advanced" than others these days.

 

[El Gato]

Klopp, Tuchel, Flick, Nagelsmann, Rose, etc are all considered as flagbearers of the phrase modern day managers. Even Pep coached in the league.


This current trend shows that Germany are very advanced in terms of new coaching talent.

Different kinds of pressing and these techniques have been very prevalent in Bundesliga.

Plus if you notice very rarely you'll see Bundesliga teams park the bus.

The coaches encourage a free flowing and progressive philosophy. They have amazing fitness training staff too using very novel technologies. Even in the data and statistical scouting department(we have mastered this at Liverpool)

This makes the league a hub of young managers with fresh ideas trying new things out.

Physical preparation has very little to do with tactical prowess, it is just a tool to facilitate a defensive style allowing you to regain the ball back sufficiently fast as a unit, and makes you look good even when you're not a maestro and don't really know where to look immediately upon regaining possession.
Current NBA has prime-time athletes with hyperbaric chambers sprouted out since 2010, but if you asked half the players that can run and gun thanks to how they take care of their bodies to run a successful triangle offense they wouldn't know where to start. Which is why Liverpool players did not need to be some smart cookies or on-ball magicians to make Europa League final.

Bundesliga has absolute hectares of space compared to other leagues. Bayern often presses their opponent less than Celta or Villarreal statistically.
Werner, along with being a big wimp, can't do shit because of how different he found it in England. Jović arguably same in La Liga whenever asked to play between 2-3 players at a given time. It is a norm that players developed in Bundesliga do not operate in tight spaces struggle outside that league. Or why lovely and ballsy technicians like Brahim Diaz or Fabian Ruiz do great at Milan and Napoli while a scrub like Andre Silva can't cut it at Sevilla but looks a world-beater for Eintracht.

It's pretty normal an Englishman will simp for German league and put it over like it's something amazing. It isn't.
Mind you nor is much of the Prem in terms of tactics. Why'd you think Southgate preferred to put Tripper at LB over Chilwell or Shaw often times

 

[El Gato]

Or course, "advanced" is very subjective and I don't know if there is any consensus when it comes to what tactics are considered "advanced" than others these days.

His "ze Germans ar advanced" is just a platitude to big up the school of thought that happens to have become the prevailing success recipe in the Prem. He has no idea really. Couldn't tell you why X happens if it were to save his life.

 

[Temptation]

Love how all the duds are mentioned but the successful Bundesliga players transferred like Auba, KDB, Son, Havertz, etc aren't mentioned.

People in England don't even rate the German league. But I won't expect you to know that given your IQ is in single digit.

Oh and you can keep insulting England and all things English all you want. I really don't care. I'm not even British. Won't even care to change the flag and shit.

I'd like you to use your teeny tiny brain on Football opinions rather than insulting other posters. If I start insulting you, you'll cry like a pussy for me to be banned....I'm pretty damn good at that...😂

So calm your tits and learn debating like a grown up first. You're trying a bit too hard here.