European Super League

[messi2140]

Bayern is planning to join the ESL if these 2 requirements are met :

1. Exclude Dortmund from it so that they can still walk the league
2. Emerging talents in Germany are exclusively for Bayern Munich to buy.

Source : St.Venice

 

[Luftstalag14]

"People talk about Bayern like Rummenigge for YEARS hasn't been the person in football most pushing the idea of a European Super League.
https://twitter.com/babuyagu/status/1384254504703455239?s=20 "

Not sure if that is true though! Interesting.

I remembered reading something about KHR/Bayern's role in the Super League years back. Not explicitly championing for it like Florentino Perez/Real Madrid did but he was somewhat involved. Something like that.

 

[Yannik]

"People talk about Bayern like Rummenigge for YEARS hasn't been the person in football most pushing the idea of a European Super League.
https://twitter.com/babuyagu/status/1384254504703455239?s=20 "

Not sure if that is true though! Interesting.

That quote there literally suggests he was asked about the breakaway of top clubs and then simply spoke about a dystopian future scenario.
Tweet on the other basically claims he suggested the idea.

 

[KingLeo10]

Bayern is planning to join the ESL if these 2 requirements are met :

1. Exclude Dortmund from it so that they can still walk the league
2. Emerging talents in Germany are exclusively for Bayern Munich to buy.

Source : St.Venice

3. Always include Arsenal in their 10-team table.

 

[Yannik]

Exactly the point.. 5m player will make next to no difference and weakening Barca/Real could mean those teams dont get that in long run anyway as tv contracts reduce.

Again EPL is woeful comparison in completely different situation and if La Liga was in same situation more collective agreement would be better for league.

Bundesliga is closer to the type of contracts La Liga would get just less and it proves most uncompetitve league going.

PL is supposedly a "different situation" but you entirely disregard the fact that Bayern has already been is a richer club than everyone else before TV licensing was even a thing, just to paint that shitty narrative that its because TV money is shared equally.

Let me guess. Your fix to Bundesliga competition is to pay Bayern MORE TV revenue aswell?

 

[KingLeo10]

That quote there literally suggests he was asked about the breakaway of top clubs and then simply spoke about a dystopian scenario. Not suggested it lol.

https://www.fotmob.com/news/1qjhvgg...nigge-rekindles-talk-of-european-super-league

Doesn't seem to be so. Maybe he's not Perez levels of vocal about it...but read this part:

"The best teams are becoming stronger and stronger in relation to others in the main leagues and another league is in fact already being born beyond the Champions League."

Juventus president Andrea Agnelli backed Rummenigge, citing the possibility to increase revenue as a motivating factor."

 

[JamDav1982]

PL is supposedly a "different situation" but you entirely disregard the fact that Bayern has already been is a richer club than everyone else before TV licensing was even a thing, just to paint that shitty narrative that its because TV money is shared equally.

Let me guess. Your fix to Bundesliga competition is to pay Bayern MORE TV revenue aswell?

There is no supposedly about it.

The EPL generates enough cash that it can give more tv money to the top teams than any other team in the world and still give those below that huge prize money and those same clubs have more billionaire backers also.

Completely different situation to La Liga.

You miss the point completely... Bayern are richer even though the tv money is spread more equally to extent it does not make league more competitive. To point it is least competitive league going.

One huge club that spreading tv deal doesnt overcome to make league competitive. La Liga in same situation but two and wont make teams out with those and Real/Sevilla who all get more in this set up any more competitive either to any extent would make league more appealing.

Spreading 80/90m from Barca/Real to other 16 teams will not make La Liga competitive and will serve to weaken the two teams the tv contracts are paid for and could lead to worse deals for all in future.

 

[Yannik]

https://www.fotmob.com/news/1qjhvgg...nigge-rekindles-talk-of-european-super-league

Doesn't seem to be so. Maybe he's not Perez levels of vocal about it...but read this part:

"The best teams are becoming stronger and stronger in relation to others in the main leagues and another league is in fact already being born beyond the Champions League."

Juventus president Andrea Agnelli backed Rummenigge, citing the possibility to increase revenue as a motivating factor."

This is the same quote. He goes on ZDF, gets asked by an interviewer if the elite clubs could break away from the leagues and then leaks the plans that are already discussed by some clubs saying that "this might be our future".
Still not a single ounce of approval in that sentence. Perez and Berlusconi have coined this super league idea in the early 2000s already. Of course Rummenigge knew about this, the two will have proposed this idea to him, just like they did to every top club they wanted to join.

 

[BBZ8800]

"The best teams are becoming stronger and stronger in relation to others in the main leagues and another league is in fact already being born beyond the Champions League."

This is a part of a reason why City, Liverpool, Barca, RM are having 100 points seasons and why attackers from today have inflated scoring numbers.

Not only Messi and Cr7, but anyone, like Suarez, Lewa, Neymar, Benzema.

If we would make a list of individual scoring stats per season, probably 40-45 places in top50 would have been from attackers from 2005 onwards (for example: Suarez 2015, Suarez 2016, Suarez 2017, Lewa 2015, Lewa 2016 etc)

 

[Yannik]

Bayern are richer even though the tv money is spread more equally to extent it does not make league more competitive.

So TV contribution isnt the reason why BuLi is less competetive. Bayern was simply always procentually richer than the rest because income from other sources have accelerated higher than their competition.
Yet TV money has not caused that, nor has it actually worsened it.

 

[JamDav1982]

So TV contribution isnt the reason why BuLi is less competetive. Bayern was simply always procentually richer than the rest because income from other sources have accelerated higher than their competition.
Yet TV money has not caused that, nor has it actually worsened it.

Nope never said tv money being spread evenly 'is the reason' I said it has not made it a competitive league and wouldnt for La Liga either it would arguably weaken the league as a whole.

No one wants a shitter league just so can say average mid table sides are closer in quality to poorer Barca/Real sides and then think league will boom as 'competitive' between those sides.

 

[JamDav1982]

This is a part of a reason why City, Liverpool, Barca, RM are having 100 points seasons and why attackers from today have inflated scoring numbers.

Not only Messi and Cr7, but anyone, like Suarez, Lewa, Neymar, Benzema.

If we would make a list of individual scoring stats per season, probably 40-45 places in top50 would have been from attackers from 2005 onwards (for example: Suarez 2015, Suarez 2016, Suarez 2017, Lewa 2015, Lewa 2016 etc)

You said this before but ignored how much the goals for Barca and Real jumped with Messi and Ronaldo and in Reals case have fallen since Ronaldo left.

Doesnt quite fit.

 

[KingLeo10]

This is a part of a reason why City, Liverpool, Barca, RM are having 100 points seasons and why attackers from today have inflated scoring numbers.

Not only Messi and Cr7, but anyone, like Suarez, Lewa, Neymar, Benzema.

If we would make a list of individual scoring stats per season, probably 40-45 places in top50 would have been from attackers from 2005 onwards (for example: Suarez 2015, Suarez 2016, Suarez 2017, Lewa 2015, Lewa 2016 etc)

Lewa and Suarez's numbers of 58 goals and 55 goals in some seasons are pretty inflated to be honest (as are Messi and CR7's but eye test tells me they're legendary tier based on their games).

I mean, going purely on stats, one would be lent to believe Lewa or Suarez were better than prime R9 and his record of 47.

 

[Luftstalag14]

What is the breakdown of the TV money for Bundesliga?

19/20 season:

 

[JamDav1982]

Lewa and Suarez's numbers of 58 goals and 55 goals in some seasons are pretty inflated to be honest (as are Messi and CR7's but eye test tells me they're legendary tier based on their games).

I mean, going purely on stats, one would be lent to believe Lewa or Suarez were better than prime R9 and his record of 47.

At same time Bierhoff outscored prime Ronaldo in Italy one season so doesnt point to it all being about eras either.