European Super League

[Barcaman]

Don't know why so many people are upset. Big 12 would still play in domestic leagues. It's just UEFA that takes a bit.

 

[Yannik]

Nope never said tv money being spread evenly 'is the reason' I said it has not made it a competitive league and wouldnt for La Liga either it would arguably weaken the league as a whole.

No one wants a shitter league just so can say average mid table sides are closer in quality to poorer Barca/Real sides and then think league will boom as 'competitive' between those sides.

It will not boom. Revenue sharing is the first step to domestic parity. TV rights alone cant make Spanish football competetive but for now 5-10m extra EVERY YEAR means every club can afford 1-2 extra decent player annually, less clubs suffer from forced relegations and teams struggle less to pay employee wages. Does it "solve" everything? No, but it improves a lot of things already.

 

[KingLeo10]

19/20 season:

A slight bit more equitable than Spain's but not all that dramatically different. The ratio between top and bottom for Spain is around 3.1 while here it's about 2.7.

 

[Jadentheman]

You said this before but ignored how much the goals for Barca and Real jumped with Messi and Ronaldo and in Reals case have fallen since Ronaldo left.

Doesnt quite fit.

Let's not account for goal per season per player but how many blowouts occur with big teams against mid/lower table ones. How many 4-0s, 5-0s, even 7-0s have we seen from teams in their respective leagues? Barca is very guilty of this and many celebrate that fact on here.

 

[JamDav1982]

It will not boom. Revenue sharing is the first step to domestic parity. TV rights alone cant make Spanish football competetive but for now 5-10m extra EVERY YEAR means every club can afford 1-2 extra decent player annually, less clubs suffer from forced relegations and teams struggle less to pay employee wages. Does it "solve" everything? No, but it improves a lot of things already.

'Domestic parity' like Bayern have....

Wont make league more competitive to point other teams start competing that are not just now and could weaken league.

5m a season wont make a dent in changing league for better and weakens the two teams that bring in the tv money. Again Bayern for reasons you gave is example of clubs being too big for it to make inroads.

 

[JamDav1982]

Let's not account for goal per season per player but how many blowouts occur with big teams against mid/lower table ones. How many 4-0s, 5-0s, even 7-0s have we seen from teams in their respective leagues? Barca is very guilty of this and many celebrate that fact on here.

Compare the number of blow outs Real had in seasons before Ronaldo joined and after he left to when he was at the club.

 

[KingLeo10]

Florentino not sugar coating it at all in his interview.

 

[Yannik]

'Domestic parity' like Bayern have....

You already said that. I already replied to it. Reasons Bayern is rich is caused by decades of economic factors summarizing, even before TV money got introduced to football. You agreed.

Wont make league more competitive to point other teams start competing that are not just now and could weaken league.

5m a season wont make a dent in changing league for better.

The league is all 20 clubs, not just the title race. Teams struggling with debt, financial turmoils, bankruptcy and forced relegations, aswell as the limited financial possibilities to modernize stadiums, infrastructure, facilities, personel etc is not helping Spanish football, nor does it make it the league more competetive.

 

[Jadentheman]

Compare the number of blow outs Real had in seasons before Ronaldo joined and after he left to when he was at the club.

You can't because even without Ronaldo the team is still stacked. the Messi/CR7 Era brought about the rise of oil clubs, billionaire sugar daddies and money mayhem in terms of building a team. Blowouts happen more often because the teams with the most money and spending tend to shore up their positions deep and monopolize the local player market.

 

[akaranzo]

Don't know why so many people are upset. Big 12 would still play in domestic leagues. It's just UEFA that takes a bit.

Are you kidding? Every club that's not in the big 12 takes a massive hit. League results mean nothing anymore, the big teams can play their B teams there for all they care. Local fans get screwed over, don't be surprised if El Clasicos are gonna be held in the US instead. It's an absolute disgrace on every level.

 

[JamDav1982]

You already said that. I already replied to it. Reasons Bayern is rich is caused by decades of economic factors summarizing, even before TV money got introduced to football. You agreed.



The league is all 20 clubs, not just the title race. Teams struggling with debt, financial turmoils, bankruptcy and forced relegations, aswell as the limited financial possibilities to modernize stadiums, infrastructure, facilities, personel etc is not helping Spanish football, nor does it make it the league more competetive.

Yes and I said Bayern still dominate most uncompetitive league is due to their size in comparison to others and more even tv deal has not made a dent in that as wont in La Liga.

The league in which tv money is linked to a strong Barca/Real. Same league.

The possible extra money in current contract wouldnt address those issues and likely worse tv deals in future for all if Barca/Real not sold as top clubs in Europe with top players.

Anyway going in circles and La Liga dont have an issue with being in uncompetitve league. Others can worry about that one.

Im oot.

 

[JamDav1982]

Are you kidding? Every club that's not in the big 12 takes a massive hit. League results mean nothing anymore, the big teams can play their B teams there for all they care. Local fans get screwed over, don't be surprised if El Clasicos are gonna be held in the US instead. It's an absolute disgrace on every level.

Why would league winners/relegation/european qualifiying places mean nothing?

 

[JamDav1982]

You can't because even without Ronaldo the team is still stacked. the Messi/CR7 Era brought about the rise of oil clubs, billionaire sugar daddies and money mayhem in terms of building a team. Blowouts happen more often because the teams with the most money and spending tend to shore up their positions deep and monopolize the local player market.

You can because the team did not change all that much in years directly when Ronaldo signed and when he left.

There is clear difference to goals scored for both those sides when Messi/Ronaldo arrive on scene as top players team built for.

 

[KingLeo10]

Florentino Perez: “UEFA is a monopoly. I need to save football and Real Madrid from a tragic economical situation”.
6:25 PM ? Apr 19, 2021




We really expected Barto to go up against this absolute baller?

 

[Yannik]

Yes and I said Bayern still dominate most uncompetitive league is due to their size in comparison to others and more even tv deal has not made a dent in that as wont in La Liga.

The league in which tv money is linked to a strong Barca/Real. Same league.

The possible extra money in current contract wouldnt address those issues and likely worse tv deals in future for all if Barca/Real not sold as top clubs in Europe with top players.

Given that you constantly bring up the BuLi as the counter example. The TV money in Germany factually HAS increased there gradually and the current TV deal is bigger than the one in La Liga. Until 10 years ago it wasnt.
Despite the fact that Bayern is watched less than each of Barca and Madrid and despite the fact that the BuLi sells less matches per season.
So the extra income here was indeed caused by the sum of "other" clubs that do financially significantly better than their Spanish counterparts. The type of clubs that you claim arent worth being pushed because people supposedly wouldnt care about them.

but yeah anyway, lets drop it here since it gets boring.