European Super League

[Raketa10]

Let's look at the Croatian (my homeland) league for example. We have 10 teams in the league. Basically Dinamo Zagreb and 9 others. Clubs don't have money at all and our stadiums are in absolutely horrible condition. Every year Dinamo has only one goal. To enter in a group stage of CL in order to earn some big money. It's irrelevant that 90% of the time Dinamo gets trashed there. In contrast, if Dinamo ends up in Europa League they can actually compete but financial reward is much smaller. How is that good for football in general?

Biggest absurd is that small clubs prefer being humiliated in the CL rather than playing 1/4 finals of the Europa league. As we can see it's all about the money and not competing. A long time ago money became the focal point of all clubs and now all of a sudden we pretend this is not the case.

Current format of CL and EL is horrible. Group competition of CL is boring as fuck and no one actually cares for Europa League. It would be much better to have some kind of regional league where winners could than participate in 3rd tier of Super League with a possibility of promotion. Clubs need to earn their right to compete on the highest level against top teams. Their goal shouldn't be to get money only from entering the group stage of CL but rather to compete against teams they can actually beat.

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

Can the Super League go ahead without PL clubs?

Since the Government are preparing new laws to stop Super League and since they are not in the EU , they can't be sued

 

[Messi983]

Barcelona fans don't or Spanish fans in general, you get less than 1000 away fans at El Clasico. But for some countries e.g. England and Germany it is routine to follow your club up and down the country every week including the European nights.

If the Super League guarantees a cap on ticket prices for away fans then yes attendance could be good, but no way your average working-class person who spends a good % of his wages following his club will afford to travel around Europe every fortnight to watch his team.

Soon enough you will have neutral attendances or corporates every week like the CL final (which the allocation there is also a disgrace) because even the countries with the travelling fans can't afford it.

"Your average working-class person" probably can't afford to travel to all away EPL and CL games nowadays as well, can he? Those people will have to decide if they'd prefer to see their team playing away against Madrid or Barca (which they usually don't have chance to do that often) or spend money on continue watching them play against other EPL clubs they've been doing for years.

 

[Morten]

Financially, this is an absolute win for the Spanish and Italian clubs involved.

For English teams too, i suppose, but to a much less degree, if anybody bails it will probably be them.

 

[mc_lovin]

Although only 12 founding clubs have transcended there will finally be 15 and that figure will be distributed among them but, as circulated yesterday in England and Mundo Deportivo was able to confirm by sources familiar with the agreement, there will not be an equitable distribution between all of them but there will be four levels in depending on their economic potential and what they have generated in recent years.

In this way, Real Madrid, Bar?a and Manchester United appear in this first level along with a few other clubs that will allow them to enter 350 million euros already before the end of this season. There are three other levels with 225, 112.5 and 100 'kilos' for the equipment as a fixed entry to invest in facilities.

4 LEVELS WITH FIXED INPUT

Club level 1: 350 million euros (Real Madrid, Bar?a and Manchester United among them)

Club level 2: 225 million euros

Club level 3: 112.5 million euros

Club level 4: 100 million euros

TOTAL: 3,500 million euros

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...obraran-ya-350-millones-por-la-superliga.html

Yeah, that sounds bad. If you create a Super League the playing field should be even. Giving some 100ME and others 350ME sounds like creating the same problems we are facing right now on a bigger scale. FFP/salary cap/transfer restrictions need to be on point (which is the biggest chance of all of this).

 

[Raketa10]

One more thing. UEFA is doing a lousy job for some time now. They even invented that horrible Nations League that has no purpose except draining players to the ground. What the fuck was the idea behind that? There are too many insignificant games already during the season so let's introduce a few more only to earn more money??? Football needs a change and that's a fact. I am not saying this SL format is perfect but UEFA is definitely one of the reasons we are moving in the wrong direction for some time now.

 

[serghei]

Financially, this is an absolute win for the Spanish and Italian clubs involved.

For English teams too, i suppose, but to a much less degree, if anybody bails it will probably be them.

If they bail, the whole thing collapses.

 

[serghei]

Yeah, that sounds bad. If you create a Super League the playing field should be even. Giving some 100ME and others 350ME sounds like creating the same problems we are facing right now on a bigger scale. FFP/salary cap/transfer restrictions need to be on point (which is the biggest chance of all of this).

Equal pay is the last thing these clubs want. This is all about the rich wanting to get richer. It's like when you're not happy with your bosses, and with what you're earning and you think you can earn more if you open up your own business or something.

 

[katzik]

Let's look at the Croatian (my homeland) league for example. We have 10 teams in the league. Basically Dinamo Zagreb and 9 others. Clubs don't have money at all and our stadiums are in absolutely horrible condition. Every year Dinamo has only one goal. To enter in a group stage of CL in order to earn some big money. It's irrelevant that 90% of the time Dinamo gets trashed there. In contrast, if Dinamo ends up in Europa League they can actually compete but financial reward is much smaller. How is that good for football in general?

Biggest absurd is that small clubs prefer being humiliated in the CL rather than playing 1/4 finals of the Europa league. As we can see it's all about the money and not competing. A long time ago money became the focal point of all clubs and now all of a sudden we pretend this is not the case.

Current format of CL and EL is horrible. Group competition of CL is boring as fuck and no one actually cares for Europa League. It would be much better to have some kind of regional league where winners could than participate in 3rd tier of Super League with a possibility of promotion. Clubs need to earn their right to compete on the highest level against top teams. Their goal shouldn't be to get money only from entering the group stage of CL but rather to compete against teams they can actually beat.

This is 100% true.
But how SL solves this situation??? It gets it even worse!

If the current format is a problem let's get to the older format.

Champions League with only the champions and knock out games like it was in the 80s.
Champions Cup with cup winners only like it used to be in the 80s.
Uefa cup with teams from 2-5 like it used to be in the 80s.

How about that?
I believe the teams will fiercely protest again because they will demand more money. It is a vicious circle we are going on.

My opinion? : CL is perfect as it is. Bring more money to EL to enhance competition in smaller countries. Bring back Champions Cup with the old format (it was great why not) with more money.
What's the problem?
Well big teams will protest again. They don't care about the small they care only about themselves, how arrogant is this.

Barca Mes que en club and you only care about fkin money, really??? So how that differentiates us from real or oil shitty?

Barca should be a leader in changing the whole football perspective and inequality as it is right now in Europe, not participate in a elite tournament of the rich. This is disappointing

 

[Barcilliant]

They should just fucking revamp the cl.
Make it top two teams from the major leagues qualify.
No stupid group stage. Straight ko like the old days Home and away legs. Final match is a one off. Increase the prize money for the teams involved.
Cl started getting boring when all these meaningless group matches started getting played.
Perez is right that watching Bar?a vs Grasshopper or Gent is boring. Especially when nothing is on the line.
The old European Cup format was perfect. More drama, more chances of upsets happening.
Nowadays there is no chance for teams like Celtic and Benfica to win CL.

 

[Messi983]

Let's look at the Croatian (my homeland) league for example. We have 10 teams in the league. Basically Dinamo Zagreb and 9 others. Clubs don't have money at all and our stadiums are in absolutely horrible condition. Every year Dinamo has only one goal. To enter in a group stage of CL in order to earn some big money. It's irrelevant that 90% of the time Dinamo gets trashed there. In contrast, if Dinamo ends up in Europa League they can actually compete but financial reward is much smaller. How is that good for football in general?

Biggest absurd is that small clubs prefer being humiliated in the CL rather than playing 1/4 finals of the Europa league. As we can see it's all about the money and not competing. A long time ago money became the focal point of all clubs and now all of a sudden we pretend this is not the case.

Current format of CL and EL is horrible. Group competition of CL is boring as fuck and no one actually cares for Europa League. It would be much better to have some kind of regional league where winners could than participate in 3rd tier of Super League with a possibility of promotion. Clubs need to earn their right to compete on the highest level against top teams. Their goal shouldn't be to get money only from entering the group stage of CL but rather to compete against teams they can actually beat.

I probably haven't watched a full CL game without Barca playing in it in 4-5 years.

EL is actually more interesting to me. Sure, overall quality of the teams is lower but I think games between teams of somewhat similar level are usually more leveled than watching big teams in CL playing against minnows. I don't watch EPL teams playing with their B teams (which shows how much they care about this competition) but I follow all La Liga teams (I usually don't watch RM or AM in the CL, OTOH I do follow and support Sevilla/Villarreal or whichever team represents La Liga there besides the big 3 though). Also try to catch up some games of "developing" teams like Salzburg, Lille, Ajax (if they're in EL) and teams from other countries/leagues I don't have a chance to follow otherwise to see their interesting youngsters.

But I usually only watch La Liga and some Segunda (mostly Almeria, Girona and Mallorca) these days. Occasionally also BL, mostly RBL and Dortmund (not Bayern though unless they play one of those two teams) and sometimes Leeds (I've had a soft spot for them since they were last in the EPL and now they also have Bielsa) and Leicester in the EPL. I try to stay away from the "big 6" though because I just dislike all of those teams for different reasons and I have hard time to convince myself to watch two teams I dislike or don't care about at all (which is a case with other PL clubs not mentioned; I really don't care how Crystal Palace is doing for example so why would I watch them? That doesn't mean I'm not at least somewhat happy when I check results and see they've taken points away from one of the big teams though).

 

[Barcilliant]

This is 100% true.
But how SL solves this situation??? It gets it even worse!

If the current format is a problem let's get to the older format.

Champions League with only the champions and knock out games like it was in the 80s.
Champions Cup with cup winners only like it used to be in the 80s.
Uefa cup with teams from 2-5 like it used to be in the 80s.

How about that?
I believe the teams will fiercely protest again because they will demand more money. It is a vicious circle we are going on.

My opinion? : CL is perfect as it is. Bring more money to EL to enhance competition in smaller countries. Bring back Champions Cup with the old format (it was great why not) with more money.
What's the problem?
Well big teams will protest again. They don't care about the small they care only about themselves, how arrogant is this.

Barca Mes que en club and you only care about fkin money, really??? So how that differentiates us from real or oil shitty?

Barca should be a leader in changing the whole football perspective and inequality as it is right now in Europe, not participate in a elite tournament of the rich. This is disappointing

Yes, it's disappointing. The club is so fucking self righteous and the first chance it gets it pimps itself for $$$

 

[Barcilliant]

I find the whole timing issue interesting too. In the middle of a pandemic these guys suddenly decide to break away. I know Barto broke the news but this is silly and selfish.
Perez didn't do himself any favours too.
I wonder what our players are thinking?
What are the thoughts among local Barca fans,???

 

[Raketa10]

This is 100% true.
But how SL solves this situation??? It gets it even worse!

If the current format is a problem let's get to the older format.

Champions League with only the champions and knock out games like it was in the 80s.
Champions Cup with cup winners only like it used to be in the 80s.
Uefa cup with teams from 2-5 like it used to be in the 80s.

How about that?
I believe the teams will fiercely protest again because they will demand more money. It is a vicious circle we are going on.

My opinion? : CL is perfect as it is. Bring more money to EL to enhance competition in smaller countries. Bring back Champions Cup with the old format (it was great why not) with more money.
What's the problem?
Well big teams will protest again. They don't care about the small they care only about themselves, how arrogant is this.

Barca Mes que en club and you only care about fkin money, really??? So how that differentiates us from real or oil shitty?

Barca should be a leader in changing the whole football perspective and inequality as it is right now in Europe, not participate in a elite tournament of the rich. This is disappointing

Look I get your point but how can Barca afford to sign Haaland or pay for Messi without money??? Barca fans would like to see the best possible players play for the club but on the other side they expect we do it without money. That's not how things work mate. If you want to compete with the best you need to be one of the richest. Simple as that.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Referees in the European Super League will be equipped with microphones in order for the fans to hear the decisions made by the officials.

— Marca


This is a W tbf.