European Super League

malvolio

Senior Member
They should just fucking revamp the cl.
Make it top two teams from the major leagues qualify.
No stupid group stage. Straight ko like the old days Home and away legs. Final match is a one off. Increase the prize money for the teams involved.
Cl started getting boring when all these meaningless group matches started getting played.
Perez is right that watching Bar?a vs Grasshopper or Gent is boring. Especially when nothing is on the line.
The old European Cup format was perfect. More drama, more chances of upsets happening.
Nowadays there is no chance for teams like Celtic and Benfica to win CL.

there is still a problem here that most don't take into account. the top 5 leagues on the continent represent the top 5 countries by economy and population size(russia excluded).

so no matter how hard we try to level the playing field, it will always be tough for smaller economies/countries to sustain the same level of success as the top 5.
 

Laplacian

Senior Member
Look I get your point but how can Barca afford to sign Haaland or pay for Messi without money??? Barca fans would like to see the best possible players play for the club but on the other side they expect we do it without money. That's not how things work mate. If you want to compete with the best you need to be one of the richest. Simple as that.

We don't get Haaland. We don't pay Messi and let him leave. Barcelona fucked up, now they must face the consequences of their management. Results will be poorer and other teams in the league will take their shot to possibly take their place.

That's how football should work. Money should be dependent on results, not guaranteed based on the team's "history." If Barcelona wants to compete at the highest level, they should take the necessary steps to get there. Not get a payout from banks every year regardless of results just because they're a founder club.
 

katzik

New member
Look I get your point but how can Barca afford to sign Haaland or pay for Messi without money??? Barca fans would like to see the best possible players play for the club but on the other side they expect we do it without money. That's not how things work mate. If you want to compete with the best you need to be one of the richest. Simple as that.

No it's not.

I don't care if we don't sign Haaland for 45253453 gazzilions or Messi for 500345 godzillomillions.
What kind of greediness is that?
Stick to the club principles, as you said it I really can't see a difference between Barca and city or psg.

If you want to compete as you said, just compete. Don't be a pussy to get the ticket for a rich tournament for the eternity.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
Yeah, that sounds bad. If you create a Super League the playing field should be even. Giving some 100ME and others 350ME sounds like creating the same problems we are facing right now on a bigger scale. FFP/salary cap/transfer restrictions need to be on point (which is the biggest chance of all of this).

Sure, but clubs like Barca, RM and United will also bring back more money than likes of Tottenham (who I suppose is one of the teams in that level 3) or invited teams from level 4. Probably not 3,5x more but still. From my egoistic Barca view I'm all for us getting more money than (some) EPL clubs. F*** them.

Times of equality and "morale" in football were long gone even before all of this happened. And if Barca wants to survive (and not only in current situation, we wouldn't stay out of this league because of "higher morale standards" or other reasons even if our finances would be better simply because we can't afford to stay behind our direct competitors RM/AM and other clubs who would get money from ESL) and remain one of the top teams it's what we have to do, like it or not.

Also, we'll have to wait and see how exactly prize money will be distributed but from what I've read a winner of ESL will apparently get 400m. It doesn't mean one of the clubs who are now in lower levels and will get less money for participation can't in the end win ESL and potentially get more money overall than us (if we won't get results) for example. These are all teams who already have big resources and good squads so potentially anyone can win. Some are more likely than others but it's not like you'd give Levante or Getafe 100m (which would obviously save them for years but wouldn't be enough to make them competitive longterm against these teams) and say to them "now you have a chance to win another 400m if you beat all these clubs who were already in a much better starting positon than you".


I agree with your point about Salary cap restrictions.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
I find the whole timing issue interesting too. In the middle of a pandemic these guys suddenly decide to break away. I know Barto broke the news but this is silly and selfish.
Perez didn't do himself any favours too.
I wonder what our players are thinking?
What are the thoughts among local Barca fans,???

Timing has much to do with UEFA announcing their plans for a new format of CL. You can say they don't care we're in the middle of a pandemic either.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
What is hilarious about the so called big six epl teams is the fact that City, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea have a grand total of one Cl. Nottingham Forrest have more!
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
EPL teams will pull out.

Not even sure why they are so behind it other than fear of being left behind but with such a backlash and not all top teams in it cant see them pushing on.

The EPL will continue to thrive and get bigger and bigger while other leagues get poorer bar 1/2 big clubs winning every season and can compete for CL.

Football in Europe and 'fans' wont be thriving in top leagues as a whole in anywhere but England.
 

Sterlingfan2000

Active member
Why City joined? Abu Dhabi is doing Football for marketing reason. This is damaging for their brand and their country

They're the most likely the first to Pull Out
 

serghei

Senior Member
If the PL clubs pull out, then there is nothing super about "Superleague". CL will be the stronger competition.
 

fergus90

Senior Member
"Your average working-class person" probably can't afford to travel to all away EPL and CL games nowadays as well, can he? Those people will have to decide if they'd prefer to see their team playing away against Madrid or Barca (which they usually don't have chance to do that often) or spend money on continue watching them play against other EPL clubs they've been doing for years.

It might sound contrary and I don't mean it to come across like it but I think the vast majority of people in this country value the Premier League way more than the CL. I think they would still pick going up and down the country with their mates, drinking in the pubs before the game watching premier league football than go to Europe every other week.


Obviously, I know other countries especially Spain etc view the CL with more regard so It's perfectly plausible they would be fine with it. I guess also because England is relatively small in size, we can travel almost anywhere on train to get to away grounds too.
 
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Bulgroz

Senior Member
We don't get Haaland. We don't pay Messi and let him leave. Barcelona fucked up, now they must face the consequences of their management. Results will be poorer and other teams in the league will take their shot to possibly take their place.

That's how football should work. Money should be dependent on results, not guaranteed based on the team's "history." If Barcelona wants to compete at the highest level, they should take the necessary steps to get there. Not get a payout from banks every year regardless of results just because they're a founder club.

That's what disgusted me the most with Perez interview (and with those 12 clubs attitude overall). Trying to blame everyone else for their dire situation, from COVID to FIFA to players... No one forced them to spend dumb amount of money on Hazard, Maguire, Coutinho etc. No one forced them to give 40M a year to Griezmann (and I like him, but even I can tell it's batshit crazy). No one forced them to do shady deals like that Arthur/Pjanic swap to try and pretend they're not absolutely broke. It's not a surprise that the 12 clubs who jumped on that ESL boat are all very poorly managed. But instead of facing the consequences, they blame it on everyone and try to create a perfect little world in which even the worst owners can still get their guaranteed cash.

What a fucking nightmare.
 

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