Financial Fair Play (News, debates, opinions, Platini, etc.)

[DonAK]

What is this supposed to mean?
Why people should care about the whole big club bullshit? we live in the present and work for the future not the past . what is wrong in someone making a long term in a club like PSG?making them bigger club
Talking about history in football is one of things I never understood .history is one of the boring lectures you get in your schools ,we don't need it in an entertaining thing like football
There is like half of our history was build in the last 25 years man .does this mean we are a new club in success?

Blame the game, not the player. I don't even have anything against PSG, but Juvens reaction is hilarious every time so I keep testing waters

 

[Bertus]

PSG fans bragging about their "value" and "revenue" when 70% of it comes from one single "sponsor" .. brilliant.

Don't blame the PSG fans as a whole. I'm very rational compared to Juvens.

And I don't see why we continue to argue with him. He always replies even when only nonsense is his remaining defense.

I just saw what he replied to me about Pogba last night. It's just like what happened with depay again. Once he's set on something, you can give him the best sources and news, he will keep saying it isn't true because it doesn't match what "he" wants.

Just today, Le_Parisien published a long article explaining that Pogba to PSG is a dead dream, but you can be sure it won't stop Juvens.

It's the same when talking about PSG. Just reading the last two pages give me headache. You can be a PSG fan but realize the club isn't at the same level in any ways as world class club like Bayern or Barca "yet". Of course they have a chance to become an equal to them, but right now they are not.

Anyways, do like me, I'll just leave Juvens alone because it's like I'm talking to a wall, and seriously It's tiring. Just don't put all PSG fans in the same bag. We're not all like Juvens.

 

[khaled_a_d]

speak for yourself. History is one of the most important subjects at school for becoming an educated, rational human being.

Important? may be .but in football? what is supposed to be important or interesting in it?
And boring doesn't oppose importance btw .

 

[Vlom]

Don't blame the PSG fans as a whole. I'm very rational compared to Juvens.

And I don't see why we continue to argue with him. He always replies even when only nonsense is his remaining defense.

I just saw what he replied to me about Pogba last night. It's just like what happened with depay again. Once he's set on something, you can give him the best sources and news, he will keep saying it isn't true because it doesn't match what "he" wants.

Just today, Le_Parisien published a long article explaining that Pogba to PSG is a dead dream, but you can be sure it won't stop Juvens.

It's the same when talking about PSG. Just reading the last two pages give me headache. You can be a PSG fan but realize the club isn't at the same level in any ways as world class club like Bayern or Barca "yet". Of course they have a chance to become an equal to them, but right now they are not.

Anyways, do like me, I'll just leave Juvens alone because it's like I'm talking to a wall, and seriously It's tiring. Just don't put all PSG fans in the same bag. We're not all like Juvens.

You're completely right, sorry about that Bertus, I didn't want to single him out in my answer but he is indeed the only PSG fan here that my answer applies to, so..

Glad to see it wasn't just me being too harsh about him.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Don't blame the PSG fans as a whole. I'm very rational compared to Juvens.

And I don't see why we continue to argue with him. He always replies even when only nonsense is his remaining defense.

I just saw what he replied to me about Pogba last night. It's just like what happened with depay again. Once he's set on something, you can give him the best sources and news, he will keep saying it isn't true because it doesn't match what "he" wants.

Just today, Le_Parisien published a long article explaining that Pogba to PSG is a dead dream, but you can be sure it won't stop Juvens.

It's the same when talking about PSG. Just reading the last two pages give me headache. You can be a PSG fan but realize the club isn't at the same level in any ways as world class club like Bayern or Barca "yet". Of course they have a chance to become an equal to them, but right now they are not.

Anyways, do like me, I'll just leave Juvens alone because it's like I'm talking to a wall, and seriously It's tiring. Just don't put all PSG fans in the same bag. We're not all like Juvens.

You're upset that you've repeatedly been proven wrong when you're supposedly an authority on French football via "sources" that are available to all. Pander all you will, but don't mention my name in discussions I'm not privy in order to preserve your ego.

Don't even know why you're mentioning Depay and Pogba when in both cases you've been proven emphatically wrong: I.E. PSV was supposedly using PSG's name to inflate Depay's price before the club, player, and coach all publicly admitted otherwise. And also before Depay signed for less than Paris reportedly bidded. You never acknowledged your error, that you were spreading false info, you just keep going along as if never happened.

With Pogba: Paris supposedly isn't interested despite meeting with he and his agent three times since January. Le_Parisien published the same thing I posted here a week ago, that is PSG won't be able to afford Pogba under current restrictions without inflating their wage bill(of course, you were incorrectly referring to his transfer fee, not his wage demands), therefore they'd be forced to sell Cavani or a package of players in exchange. It wasn't a secret, we all understood this. A bid was even placed by Paris made within the frame of his wage demands:

According to our colleagues at RMC, PSG have not been rejected by Paul Pogba, and the player remains interested in joining the club with an €11m a year contract having been informally proposed to the Juventus man.

That was 12 days before Le_Parirsen published that Pogba would request between 10-15m in wages. I don't expect you to respond.

 

[BenRobbins]

You're upset that you've repeatedly been proven wrong when you're supposedly an authority on French football via "sources" that are available to all. Pander all you will, but don't mention my name in discussions I'm not privy in order to preserve your ego.

Don't even know why you're mentioning Depay and Pogba when in both cases you've been proven emphatically wrong: I.E. PSV was supposedly using PSG's name to inflate Depay's price before the club, player, and coach all publicly admitted otherwise. And also before Depay signed for less than Paris reportedly bidded. You never acknowledged your error, that you were spreading false info, you just keep going along as if never happened.

With Pogba: Paris supposedly isn't interested despite meeting with he and his agent three times since January. Le_Parisien published the same thing I posted here a week ago, that is PSG won't be able to afford Pogba under current restrictions without inflating their wage bill(of course, you were incorrectly referring to his transfer fee, not his wage demands), therefore they'd be forced to sell Cavani or a package of players in exchange. It wasn't a secret, we all understood this. A bid was even placed by Paris made within the frame of his wage demands:




That was 12 days before Le_Parirsen published that Pogba would request between 10-15m in wages. I don't expect you to respond.

I cannot speak about the pogba issue but regarding Depay PSG were 100% interested and had a deal in place about to go through. LVG confirmed this and so did PSV and Depay. LVG never, ever lies aswell. He says exactly what is happening and going on for example De gea saga, welbeck transfer, Di Maria situation.

 

[Luftstalag14]

So Bertus, PSG's revival can mostly be attributed to the Qatar money?

Too bad BVB will never get that kind of money with 50+1.

 

[Jombi]

Of course, but the FFP rules are killing non-English leagues. The sooner the FFP rules are scrapped, the better.

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course, but the FFP rules are killing non-English leagues. The sooner the FFP rules are scrapped, the better.

Or they amend the FFP rules so that certain countries ie the EPL can only have so much of tv deal money used in FFP.

The power rests with the other teams in Europe. They should force the issue with UEFA or threaten to break away in a European League minus English teams.

 

[Bertus]

So Bertus, PSG's revival can mostly be attributed to the Qatar money?

Too bad BVB will never get that kind of money with 50+1.

Mostly? Entirely.

They came and paid all the debt the club had. They invested in it. And tried to make it so that the club can produce its own money after a few years.

They worked quite well when you see for example that PSG shirt sales went from less than 30000, to 400K in 12/13, to more than 1.7M right now.

Now if there was some sarcasms in your post (maybe there was not, but still), there's no problem in France with investors coming and investing their money in a company. PSG is seen as the same as any other company here. Therefore they didn't do anything bad. And according to the french DNCG, PSG is now perfectly fine money/debt wise.

Also, remember that if Platini is now trying to change the FFP a bit, it's mainly because of the people that brought UEFA to court, because UEFA is punishing investors, which go against laws in most countries.

Now I know many people will disagree, but that's the main reason behind the FFP evolving starting this summer: Platini is aware he will lose in a tribunal. Just like UEFA lost in the Bosman's case.

I'm a capitalist, so I see no wrong here, but no need to jump on me and repeating it again and again, I'm fully aware many people disagree with the point of view of treating a football club like any other companies around.

 

[Bertus]

Or they amend the FFP rules so that certain countries ie the EPL can only have so much of tv deal money used in FFP.

The power rests with the other teams in Europe. They should force the issue with UEFA or threaten to break away in a European League minus English teams.

There was a TV show and papers here about why the FFP is amended. It's because Platini knows he will lose this case in a tribunal in winter 2015 or spring 2016 if he does nothing.

He even said himself he expects to stop the complaints against UEFA that way.

He doesn't want a new Bosman's case to happen.

 

[JamDav1982]

There was a TV show and papers here about why the FFP is amended. It's because Platini knows he will lose this case in a tribunal in winter 2015 or sping 2016 if he does nothing.

He even said himself he expects to stop the complaints against UEFA that way.

I think he is amending it the wrong way.

Dont think it should be amended to allow more oil money in it should be amended to stop certain countries dominating through huge tv deals etc.

The biggest clubs in europe wont like the FFP being relaxed.

 

[Bertus]

I think he is amending it the wrong way.

Dont think it should be amended to allow more oil money in it should be amended to stop certain countries dominating through huge tv deals etc.

The biggest clubs in europe wont like the FFP being relaxed.

Some people like but Karl-Heinz Rummenigge are rooting for amending the FFP according to recent news. They want Transfers fees to be excluded from the calculs in the FFP.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Bertus, who owns PSG, just out of curiosity? 100% by the Nasser family? So PSG is his private entity, not a corporation/company that sells shares like Bayern, in that sense?

No sarcasm whatsoever. However, I am just thinking that it is not fair to other clubs that do not receive this sort of money/investment. In the long run nobody can compete with PSG since there is no end in the money they will be getting, I guess.

 

[JamDav1982]

Some Bayern's people are rooting for amending the FFP according to recent news. They want Transfers fees to be excluded from the calculs in the FFP.

Can find you the news if you don't trust me.

Yeah you got a link for that?

Not that dont trust you just want to read more about it.

Relaxing the rules of how much can be paid in from owners etc just means more money paid in to Oil backed English sides that already have huge tv deals.