Francesc "Tito" Vilanova

Paganinisrvnge

New member
Oz it's pointless. Jiopi :lol:

Can't stand it when people say 'Ibra carried the team' 'Messi carried the team' it's becuase the team is built solely through them to get the best out of them & Barcelona is one of the best sides of all times, that dominates possesion completely to let Messi do his thing, with all the freedom in the world.

Disrespectful to the other players, who also sacrifice themselves for him, who knows without him the side could be far more balanced. and play more as a team, rather than relying on one person constantly.

This is one of the arguments that I found most absurd. If some of our other players had better finishing, Messi would have way more assists and nobody would be talking about Messidependencia. It's not like chances are created ONLY for Messi.
 
This is one of the arguments that I found most absurd. If some of our other players had better finishing, Messi would have way more assists and nobody would be talking about Messidependencia. It's not like chances are created ONLY for Messi.

This. Imagine the number of assists Messi would have if Sanchez could finish. And :lol: at anyone who says that Messi's insane goal stats are the reason our other forwards don't score. Um... no it's not. If Sanchez could finish, he'd easily have 20+ goals this season.
 

SeloBarca

Senior Member
First season:
Pros -> 1) Better than Pep tactics wise. He made all those correct changes in games that Pep would delay or not intervene at all. The team won games like this with comebacks thanks to Tito's interventions from the bench.. Correct decision on players also. I likes his rotating at least for the first half of the season.
Cons -> 1) Leadership and Psychology. Idk but it seems that the gap btw him and Pep in this skill is abyssmal. The fact that the players are pressing less and become quite lazy and complacent is due to this mainly (and not the observations that the players are not robots. This line is pretty naive to come now, it fits almost every occasion. It could stand also since 09-10, but we saw other things from Pep.) He is not pressuring the players as much as it is needed during trainings, speeches e.t.c. The coach must be also a paternal figure, the players should respect him. He needs to work badly on all that..

1. Say whaaat? his tactical skills are awful. His subs makes no sense and comes to late or not at all, he has no plan B.
2. That i agree on. His leadership is crap, hes sitting on the bench the whole time, whereas Pep was up at the sideline giving instructions pretty much the whole games. Hes not even 1/10 as good in motivating the players either.
 

XaviMessiGirl

New member
"No sacking to a man who has cancer." See this line of thinking is so outrageous to me.

Yeah, not a good idea to keep him out of sympathy. Hasn't he said he already knows he'll be absent for portions of next season? I just don't think he's suited to be a coach right now, for anyone. It would be better if he stepped down rather than be sacked though, for his pride.
 

spark

New member
I think we should contemplate on some things calmly..
It is evident that Tito uses different communicational strategies and approaches than Pep. He is less diplomatic, less neutral, less gentleman sometimes, more blunt when it comes to certain bold facts, more arrogant and protective to the team.
I think he is imitating mourinho in a more regressed way..

This is one thing. What he think inside him and what he tells the players is another. And i am sure he doesnt tell the players that everything is Ok, and we got smashed by Bayern due to fatigue and injuries.. ITs pretty obvious.. And it is also obvious that he wanted badly the 100 points record to prove something.. It was quite deserved with this astonishing first round of 55/57 points..

First season:
Pros -> 1) Better than Pep tactics wise. He made all those correct changes in games that Pep would delay or not intervene at all. The team won games like this with comebacks thanks to Tito's interventions from the bench.. Correct decision on players also. I likes his rotating at least for the first half of the season.
Cons -> 1) Leadership and Psychology. Idk but it seems that the gap btw him and Pep in this skill is abyssmal. The fact that the players are pressing less and become quite lazy and complacent is due to this mainly (and not the observations that the players are not robots. This line is pretty naive to come now, it fits almost every occasion. It could stand also since 09-10, but we saw other things from Pep.) He is not pressuring the players as much as it is needed during trainings, speeches e.t.c. The coach must be also a paternal figure, the players should respect him. He needs to work badly on all that..
2) Of course health issues. The Roura period was a really dark and gloomy interval..

He surely deserves one more full year. No sacking and stuff.. Its not Barca-like, especially to a man that has cancer.
Lets see if he can integrate Neymar, and if he can make the team work more next season.

:beer2: Some rare balance in this thread.
 

ryuken

Senior Member
The amount of undermining Messi gets in this thread is freaking ridiculous lol.

And better than Pep tactic wise, lol.
 

Pepe Silvia

Active member
Pep had to do SOMETHING to change up the attack as he saw we were getting found out more and more. At least he tried... what has Tito done in experimenting and keeping tactics fresh, players motivated, or the canteranos hopeful to break into the first team? Very little if you ask me.
 
J

jiopi

Guest
PSG are not La Liga. Levante they won the game and Levante offered no threat.
:lol: Barcelona struggled both as I said.


It's not spectacular but they were getting the result and were the better side.
They struggled as I said.


Using that logic you have to credit the team for assisting every single goal by Messi.
And they should, Messi still was involved 38% of the points directly, which is carrying, as it ever has been by an individual.


Pretty much. When Messi plays the team plays for him. When he doesn't, the others take more responsibility and maintain a decent goalscoring record.
Messi always play for the team, the PSG tie was the ultimate example.
 

Maria

New member
Wait, are people forgetting about Guardiola's 3-4-3 last season already? :lol: I remember that causing so much rage last year

Not from me because I understood his motives..also with Pep we played a 4-3-3, a 4-2-3-1, a 4-4-2 or a 3-3-4 so I don't understand why would you only give the 3-4-3 as an example. Also the loss of Abidal has killed the chances of the 3-4-3.
 

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