Francesc "Tito" Vilanova

[Maria]

I think we should contemplate on some things calmly..
It is evident that Tito uses different communicational strategies and approaches than Pep. He is less diplomatic, less neutral, less gentleman sometimes, more blunt when it comes to certain bold facts, more arrogant and protective to the team.
I think he is imitating mourinho in a more regressed way..

Also more of a liar.

First season:
Pros -> 1) Better than Pep tactics wise. He made all those correct changes in games that Pep would delay or not intervene at all.

And what games were those? Because I am sure that in the 4 years of Pep, we can find plenty of examples to prove you wrong. And yes, we can find many games were Pep was too conservative but apart from the 1-3 against Inter, probably not a single game lost with Pep affected us as much as those 2 games against Bayern.
Also when you're talking aboout tactics, you can not take into account the defensive record of the team, that was worst than in any of Pep or Rijkaard's seasons. Not to mention the set-pieces, that were supposedly his specialty.
And to make it clear, I don't believe that Tito isn't a good tactician, but I just think that he's not as good at putting his ideas in practice like Pep was. That's why it would probably be better to replace Roura with someone that can actually help him(Oscar Garcia for example wouldn't be bad), but seeing the person he chose when Buenaventura left, I don't think that he would do something like that.

The team won games like this with comebacks thanks to Tito's interventions from the bench.. Correct decision on players also. I likes his rotating at least for the first half of the season.

True, but you're talking about games against Osasuna, Deportivo or Sevilla..he still hasn't proved that he can do this against RM or Bayern.

He surely deserves one more full year. No sacking and stuff..

I agree, but I hope that he learned from this year's defeats, even if his words don't show it.

Its not Barca-like, especially to a man that has cancer.

 

[jiopi]

That's not really struggling. Losing 7-0 is stuggling. Winning 1-0 is winning.

Yes 1-0 is struggling, and it was even home.

The team was involved in 100% of points directly. So actually it's the team carrying Messi to La Liga.

Messi was still involved 38% of the points. It was most individual performance, as it ever have been. He carried Barcelona to league win. Watch the numbers in 10-11 and before, 20% is normal star forward rate. It was when Barcelona still was great.

 

[oz187]

Yes 1-0 is struggling, and it was even home.

That doesn't prove anything. Barca won 3-1 home to Zaragoza with Messi. They won away 3-0 without Messi. The main question is always if the wins the game. Barca without Messi has shown it can get the wins every single time this season.

Messi was still involved 38% of the points. It was most individual performance, as it ever have been. He carried Barcelona to league win. Watch the numbers in 10-11 and before, 20% is normal star forward rate. It was when Barcelona still was great.

That is because the team chooses to give Messi the responsibility, not because they have to. If you think Messi succeeded, you'd have to give Tito the credit for choosing this tactic of giving the responsibility to Messi.

 

[BarcaGirl]

Barca without Messi has shown it can get the wins every single time this season.

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

 

[oz187]

6 wins out of 6 without Messi.

 

[darthvader7888]

6 wins out of 6 without Messi.

4 pointless games after we won the league and 2 games against Zaragoza and Levante (which we barely won).

 

[oz187]

If they weren't pointless the players would've tried harder and would've won those games even more easily.

 

[jiopi]

That doesn't prove anything. Barca won 3-1 home to Zaragoza with Messi. They won away 3-0 without Messi. The main question is always if the wins the game. Barca without Messi has shown it can get the wins every single time this season.

Zaragoza got relegated lol, it isn't mid or top table team.

That is because the team chooses to give Messi the responsibility, not because they have to. If you think Messi succeeded, you'd have to give Tito the credit for choosing this tactic of giving the responsibility to Messi.

No, that's because other forwards could't finish their chances, and defenders were trying to loose games. Messi put all stop to it.

The best demonstration was Deportivo away, 3 goals and an assist, and the third goal from halfway line after Alves got the red. Messi against Deportivo, referee and Barcelona's defense, and Messi won.

 

[oz187]

Nothing that you say has relevance. When Messi plays obviously he does well, he's the best player in the world, maybe the best ever. He scores winning goals no doubt. But none of that has any bearing on the teams ability to adjust when he isn't playing. Like I said, if any of you can give a list of the games where you think Barca would drop points then you might have some substance. I'll even start you off, here's a list of the top/middle teams Barca can win without Messi, and their league position:

03: Atletico
06: Malaga
11: Levante
13: Espanyol
14: Vallodolid

Would you disagree with these? Of the teams I didn't list, which ones do you think Barca would drop points against?

 

[Galning]

6 wins out of 6 without Messi.

7-0 without Messi. Point proven.

 

[jiopi]

Nothing that you say has relevance. When Messi plays obviously he does well, he's the best player in the world, maybe the best ever. He scores winning goals no doubt. But none of that has any bearing on the teams ability to adjust when he isn't playing. Like I said, if any of you can give a list of the games where you think Barca would drop points then you might have some substance. I'll even start you off, here's a list of the top/middle teams Barca can win without Messi, and their league position:

03: Atletico
06: Malaga
11: Levante
13: Espanyol
14: Vallodolid

Would you disagree with these? Of the teams I didn't list, which ones do you think Barca would drop points against?

Every mid or top table team would be a struggle, when there isn't one game per week schedule, I think I already told you that. Last time when Barca were still great team without Messi was 10-11. Consequently it was when Barca was the best ever team with Messi.

 

[Zuess99]

Current barca without messi is possession without goals . You cant count these small teams , against tough opponents where every shot and dribble count without messi we are destined to loose. You cant tell me you think sanchez , cesc and villa could pull it off.

 

[King Leo]

Current barca without messi is possession without goals . You cant count these small teams , against tough opponents where every shot and dribble count without messi we are destined to loose. You cant tell me you think sanchez , cesc and villa could pull it off.

Reminds of the Spanish NT.

BTW You avatar :huhsign:

 

[Paganinisrvnge]

If Messi had been injured for the entire season and Fabregas/Villa had to play in his position; I guarantee you we would have finished 3rd or 4th.

 

[oz187]

7-0 without Messi. Point proven.

How is that point proven, Messi played the first leg.

Every mid or top table team would be a struggle, when there isn't one game per week schedule

Do you have any substantial basis for thinking that they can't handle two games a week or are you just guessing?