Francesc "Tito" Vilanova

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Was saving this for the Don, but I dedicate my 1000th post to Tito! He's been a great coach when he was here and he's even helping the management while fighting cancer at the same time. If that isn't dedication and love for the club, I don't know what is. Get well soon as all Cules desperately miss you!!!

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Garrus

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Was saving this for the Don, but I dedicate my 1000th post to Tito! He's been a great coach when he was here and he's even helping the management while fighting cancer at the same time. If that isn't dedication and love for the club, I don't know what is. Get well soon as all Cules desperately miss you!!!

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Get well tito, We'll be waiting for you...
 
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Flavia

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@barcastuff
Rosell (president): "Tito looked good when I went to visit him, his treatment should be finished end March, he's counting down to return."

@FCBarcelona
Rosell: "FC Barcelona's priority this year is Tito's health. The rest is secondary."

Sandro also said they are 100% behind Tito, he is and will be the coach next season.
 

ricknattery

New member
@barcastuff
Rosell (president): "Tito looked good when I went to visit him, his treatment should be finished end March, he's counting down to return."

@FCBarcelona
Rosell: "FC Barcelona's priority this year is Tito's health. The rest is secondary."

Sandro also said they are 100% behind Tito, he is and will be the coach next season.

Rosell's just clutching at straws with those statements.
Being concerned about Tito's health does not mean Barca will show those terrible performances and all due to the lack of a proper coach and his inability to take a decision.
all I get from that is his pretentions towards a predisposition of cules to accept defeats that might come in the future
I see no autocritic and courage to make the arrangements needed in order to keeo on succeding at a top level
Just leave Rosell...
 
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beautifulgame

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You may be correct but tell me the alternative?

He takes on another coach as interim perhaps against his agreement with the Tito. In this arrangement what good can at this point? No coach can prepare the team for Milan in the time allotted.

Okay, now if he was to appoint another coach altogether and ask Tito to resign then both he and the club would look ingrates and unethical.

Your a good poster and respect your opinion but you too often come in here with reactionary posts which I gladly chalk down to your passion for the club.

However, can you lay out a ethical alternative to decisions the club took? I would love to hear one because I can't come up with a possible alternative. The issue with Tito's cancer is a variable that couldn't have been foreseen and acting in anyway that would have not included Tito in the club or would have discarded Tito would be a seriously effed up play on the part of the club to a coach that is partly responsible for the most successful part of the clubs history.

Its important to keep in mind many on this forum that are dismissing the club's decisions as myopic were not doing so when the decision was first taken. It is only now after some poor results that everyone is saying something should have been differently. While Rosell has made some very disagreeable sporting decisions, this one is difficult to put on him entirely.
 

ricknattery

New member
You may be correct but tell me the alternative?

He takes on another coach as interim perhaps against his agreement with the Tito. In this arrangement what good can at this point? No coach can prepare the team for Milan in the time allotted.

Okay, now if he was to appoint another coach altogether and ask Tito to resign then both he and the club would look ingrates and unethical.

Your a good poster and respect your opinion but you too often come in here with reactionary posts which I gladly chalk down to your passion for the club.

However, can you lay out a ethical alternative to decisions the club took? I would love to hear one because I can't come up with a possible alternative. The issue with Tito's cancer is a variable that couldn't have been foreseen and acting in anyway that would have not included Tito in the club or would have discarded Tito would be a seriously effed up play on the part of the club to a coach that is partly responsible for the most successful part of the clubs history.

Its important to keep in mind many on this forum that are dismissing the club's decisions as myopic were not doing so when the decision was first taken. It is only now after some poor results that everyone is saying something should have been differently. While Rosell has made some very disagreeable sporting decisions, this one is difficult to put on him entirely.

An interim couch might have been Luis Enrique and Roura keeping the job of an assistant. Now it's of no use since our season is basically over, We won la Liga(unless major blowout) out of the CL if not for a miracle considering our defense and the chances we create upfront.
I was in agreement with Rosell's first decision after first news of Tito's illness. Kep the man in charge since he was gonna be out only for a month (January) then they extended it for another month, then for another and now he won't be back until the end of march and even that is not certain. He had to make a decision as hard as it is after realizing Tito was gonna be out for more than a month.
Tito's first concern is his health, Barcelona's President first concern is the health of the team, showing respect and helping Tito as much as humanly possible does not mean you have to postpone your responsibilities as President, they are not mutually exclusive
Barca does not need to show respect by keeping Tito under all circunstances that's not the way you show your gratefulness.
Do you think Tito can handle a job as stressfull as this one is(just look at Pep) in his condition? Would that not be detrimental to his own health?
I completely realize this is a sensible sensible topic, but the President should make decisions in this kind of situations and manage them smartly.
The reason I get so heated in this times is because I see no reaction from the board after 2 seasons of the same mistakes. We are no longer a team challenging for the biggest prize and Madrid beats us with their subs. This generation with an still young Messi deserves better than that
 
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beautifulgame

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I do partially agree that Rosell should have tried something else but what if Tito was adamant about controlling the situation? If he would have told him, no I have made another decision then Tito would have felt slighted. Also, to be honest, Tito likely would have felt alienated even if he did not fight the decision for a new coach even if it is a reasonable thing to do.

Of course, Tito's likelihood of leading this team in the future is in doubt because of his health. I literally spoke about the likelihood of his resignation over the summer in this thread a few weeks ago or if not, the need for it. However, axing him now wouldn't have helped.

I also agree Roura is not fit for the job but the circumstances were difficult, he was perhaps the only option for continuity. Recall also that when the decision was taken, it was only to be for half the time it has now become.

Finally, Luis may have been an alternative but that would been very awkward not only because many players do not have a relation with him but because he evidently uses a different approach than Guardiola and Tito do tactically. In this regard, it may have been seen to be more viable by all sport directors at the time to use the coach that has worked with Tito as a short-term fill-in. Perhaps if they knew it would be more both legs of the CL then they would have done differently?
 
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Arachnid

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You may be correct but tell me the alternative?

He takes on another coach as interim perhaps against his agreement with the Tito. In this arrangement what good can at this point? No coach can prepare the team for Milan in the time allotted.

You say that... but is that true? You know the old saying about a new manager meaning surefire victory, and it's more than a coincidence. When a team is tactically ready to face another, a new manager may make the changes to catch the other side off guard.

In any case, just using the same tactics AGAIN would be a disaster with a 100% certainty.

Okay, now if he was to appoint another coach altogether and ask Tito to resign then both he and the club would look ingrates and unethical.

To whom? I mean, imagine that a teacher gets cancer and the school principal just refuses to get a sub for the time the teacher is away, allowing the kids to go unattended. Wouldn't THAT be unethical. Let alone insane?

However, can you lay out a ethical alternative to decisions the club took? I would love to hear one because I can't come up with a possible alternative. The issue with Tito's cancer is a variable that couldn't have been foreseen and acting in anyway that would have not included Tito in the club or would have discarded Tito would be a seriously effed up play on the part of the club to a coach that is partly responsible for the most successful part of the clubs history.

Unforeseen? Cancer remissions are really common. Anybody would have thought of having a contingency plan at the ready.

Its important to keep in mind many on this forum that are dismissing the club's decisions as myopic were not doing so when the decision was first taken. It is only now after some poor results that everyone is saying something should have been differently. While Rosell has made some very disagreeable sporting decisions, this one is difficult to put on him entirely.

Well, yeah. We didn't know whether the board knew what they were doing and had a strong tactician in Roura and therefore their actions would make sense. It's now that we see that no, they didn't, that we complain. That's like saying that nobody complained about a building that crumbled down while it was being built, therefore the construction company are not at fault.

I mean. am I saying anything illogical here? Because it looks to me like I'm talking nothing but common sense.

I do partially agree that Rosell should have tried something else but what if Tito was adamant about controlling the situation? If he would have told him, no I have made another decision then Tito would have felt slighted. Also, to be honest, Tito likely would have felt alienated even if he did not fight the decision for a new coach even if it is a reasonable thing to do.

Of course, Tito's likelihood of leading this team in the future is in doubt because of his health. I literally spoke about the likelihood of his resignation over the summer in this thread a few weeks ago or if not, the need for it. However, axing him now wouldn't have helped.

Then he had no right to be adamant about anything. Rosell can talk about how showing some warped sense of respect for Tito by not getting anybody is more important than getting silverware. I guarantee you that these words will come back to haunt him later, probably the next meeting of partners, because HIS job is actually ensuring the Club gets silverware, no matter whose feelings are hurt. And if he doesn't understand that, he won't last a full term.

I also agree Roura is not fit for the job but the circumstances were difficult, he was perhaps the only option for continuity. Recall also that when the decision was taken, it was only to be for half the time it has now become.

That's true. This board has shown a ridiculously cavalier attitude to the realities of what the human body can actually endure. Same thing with apparently believing htat Abi would come back or that Puyol's age would never catch with him. Sheer insanity.

Finally, Luis may have been an alternative but that would been very awkward not only because many players do not have a relation with him but because he evidently uses a different approach than Guardiola and Tito do tactically. In this regard, it may have been seen to be more viable by all sport directors at the time to use the coach that has worked with Tito as a short-term fill-in. Perhaps if they knew it would be more both legs of the CL then they would have done differently?

There are, literally, dozens of Barça-style manager just a short walk away from them.
 
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beautifulgame

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Your analogies don't translate.

The contingency point is take however, but again you cannot just throw coaches in there. You still haven't the answered the question of who and how?
 

Arachnid

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Your analogies don't translate.

The contingency point is take however, but again you cannot just throw coaches in there. You still haven't the question of who and how?

Again, maybe it's just me. Maybe there's something wrong with my brain, but to me they translate perfectly.

And any manager making day to day decisions would change this dynamic. Even naming Roura interim manager would (let's remember he's still an assistant). In fact, if he has to keep doing the work of two people during more than a month, as it seems he will have to, it would be nothing but the proper thing to do, giving him the interim manager title with the increase in wages.
 

Richard.H

Senior Member
Your analogies don't translate.

The contingency point is take however, but again you cannot just throw coaches in there. You still haven't the answered the question of who and how?

At this point, Luis Enrique would be a better option. He knows the system well and at least has some coaching experience unlike Roura who failed in division 3 and is mainly a scout. Once again, the team needs leadership more than anything. You can't have a coach on the sidelines whose body language resembles that of an insecure middle school girl.
 
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beautifulgame

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But the point is at this point anything might look better because of hindsight!

And Enrique hasn't used the same system as Pep in Barca B or in Roma so what are we talking about? If we look back a few weeks, it would look like a clusterfuck to appoint Enrique out of nowhere, especially given Roura was just suppose to be a stand-in for a few weeks.

So, if you were there looking at perhaps a 3 or 4 week absence, could you arrange for a suitable replacement to to free and agree?
 
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beautifulgame

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Again, maybe it's just me. Maybe there's something wrong with my brain, but to me they translate perfectly.

And any manager making day to day decisions would change this dynamic. Even naming Roura interim manager would (let's remember he's still an assistant). In fact, if he has to keep doing the work of two people during more than a month, as it seems he will have to, it would be nothing but the proper thing to do, giving him the interim manager title with the increase in wages.

The very point of an analogy is to explain a point to another. Your comparing a principal replacing a teacher to finding a stand-in coach at Barca? Seems legit.

I'll concede when one of you offer a reasonable explanation of coach and circumstance in which it would have worked given we go back a few weeks in time. One that keeps in mind the original stand-in was only for a 3 or 4 weeks at most.
 

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