Frenkie de Jong

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jamrock

jamrock

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The thing that de jong lacks isn't talent, he's talented enough to be a top top Midfielder.

What he lacks is Balls, Character, grit, that X factor that is required to take you from being good to very good/excellent.

Gavi at 17 I'm literally not joking here, is more of a man than de jong will ever be.
 
Don Juan Laporta Estruch

Don Juan Laporta Estruch

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JamDav1982 said:
Frenkie was only behind Gavi and Cancelo for defensive stats last season in the team. It is not his natural position but was not as bad as made out.

Good luck to anyone who thinks Gundo, Pedri or Gavi would be better in that defensive role and as it stands will have to be one of them.

FDJ is clearly the best box to box of that lot for all round game, athleticism, running etc. Even then it is more limited box to box role as in title win when a lot of his role was helping balance Balde/Gavi on that left hand side. It was at times if Balde has gone ..FDJ sit and cover.. if FDJ gone Balde would sit.
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Wammy, you would save yourself and the rest of us a whole lot of time and energy, if you just wrote a 3 word post and ended the conversation with that.

That 3 word post is as follows :

" I WAS WRONG."

Ping Pong is pure puppa, pal.
 
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JamDav1982

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Lets have a look at the possession stats of 'Cant play ball forward' FDJ and 'most important player' Gavi from last season -

FDJ
Number of Passes: 1st
Progressive Passes: 1st
Passes into Final Third: 1st
Key Passes: 8th
Expected Assists: 4th
Through Balls: 2nd
Involvement in chances created: 4th
Involvement in moves resulting in a goal: 2nd
Range/Long Passes: 8th

Gavi
Number of Passes: 11th
Progressive Passes: 17th
Passes into Final Third: 13th
Key Passes: 11h
Expected Assists: 9th
Through Balls: 8th
Involvement in chances created: 10th
Involvement in moves resulting in a goal: 10th
Range/Long Passes: 15th

Saying Gavi is average on the ball is probably being generous. He is miles behind FDJ, Pedri and Gundo and not producing better stats than many others

Can add to those awful stats where he gets on the ball a lot less and does less with it.. still manages to get dipsossesed twice as often as FDJ for example and has nowhere near the passing range..

Defensively Gavi wins ball back more than anyone.. also by far the most dribbled past and giving away the most fouls.

FDJ incidently was 3rd last season for winning ball back and dribbled past x3 less times than Gavi.
 
jamrock

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Always resort to the old statistics, when the eye test, tells everyone what they need to know.

Only jamdav & Horatio is still flying the de jong flag these days, his true ride or die fans.
 
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JamDav1982

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Haha 'old statisitics'.

It is from last season where 'Gavi was heavily missed and important' vs FDJ.

FDJ clearly dwarfs him on the ball...not that it is all that difficult... Most of them do really.

I can go to the previous season and compare that league title win... even further in FDJs favour and Gavis stats just as average.

FDJ is levels above Gavi and his 20 passes a gam masterclasses he so loves.

He is limited on ball and a lot of folk taken in by his fake wee hard man act.

I know folk that are paid big money for their opinions on football and how analyze players..... it aint about Gavi.

Predition already Gavi will come back to the same bog stands ability and folk will say 'not the same player after injury'.

Wait and see.

Folk actually watch Gavi and think he is a 'complete midfielder'.. he lacks the ability to control a game in any way on the ball and when played further up park was less effective on ball than likes of Felix and Fermin.

He is far and away the least complete of any of the better midfielders at Barca and runs a lot.. thats genuinely about it.
 
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Masetro10

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jamrock said:
The thing that de jong lacks isn't talent, he's talented enough to be a top top Midfielder.

What he lacks is Balls, Character, grit, that X factor that is required to take you from being good to very good/excellent.

Gavi at 17 I'm literally not joking here, is more of a man than de jong will ever be.
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Gavi offers in ways outside of "stats" if people cannot recognize why he is indispensable to Barca and Spain than they can't be helped.
 
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JamDav1982

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Masetro10 said:
Gavi offers in ways outside of "stats" if people cannot recognize why he is indispensable to Barca and Spain than they can't be helped.
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Haha does he aye... what is that then?

What does he offer that the stats miss?

Let me guess some vague answer that wont mean much.

Aye sure looked 'indespensible' for Spain and Barca won league by winning every game he didnt start bar away to Real but dont let truth get in way.

He is bang average on the ball and stats show how limited he is on that whether like to deny it or not.

As said I know folk paid a lot of money to analyze players and Gavi is not it.

'Chief why should we sign Gavi... he fails the eye test and stats back it up'....

'Buy him as there are things no one can explain and only cliches can be used with nothing that can be debated'
 
te amo barca

te amo barca

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Frenkie’s biggest problem is slow speed of thought. He dwells on the ball and slows down the play too much instead of making the right pass at the right time. Our buildup is always off rhythm with him, he can’t dictate the tempo.
 
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JamDav1982

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te amo barca said:
Frankie’s biggest problem is slow speed of thought. He dwells on the ball and slows down the play too much instead of making the right pass at the right time. Our buildup is always off rhythm with him, he can’t dictate the tempo.
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He doesnt have the stats he does with slow speed of thought and make as many forward passes, creates chances, through balls etc if dwelling on the ball. The game closes off very quickly if try that.

Would say the opposite and he has had more top class passes early from deep than any other player in the team.

There are time he can spin one too many times on ball but not nearly as much as made out and Pedri, Gundo all got caught doing that regularly or losing ball last season also.

Busi in his last few seasons did it all the time to slow down game to his pace also.

As for tempo... he not only has that forward passing stats but involved heavily in moves that result in goals/chances.. again unlikely if constantly slowing game down.

If anyone thinks that FDJ slows game down and has less positive impact in comparison to likes of Gavi then says it all.
 
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Blanco

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@JamDav1982 Its true that Gavi is nowhere near FDJ as a footballer, but you are exaggerating a lot when it comes to how great FDJ has been for Barca. He is good, but below what was expected from him when you have in mind how much money your club invested in him.
 
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JamDav1982

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Blanco said:
For example this:
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What is exaggerated there?

Who was in your opinion Barcas best mid before they changed formation that season? Who was best player after Messi that season?

Before the formation change he was MOTM multiple times and helping 10 man Barca win games away to Osasuna with world class assist for Raphinha etc.

In that Messi season he was voted 'club man of the year' for performances and flexibility.

He played CB.. very good away to PSG etc, he played DM a number of games and was good both as single and double with Busi at times.

Despite playing CB and DM in a number of games he also played further forward and scored/assisted 15 goals including 1 goal and assisting 2 in the final v Bilbao in only trophy won that season.

What is being exaggerated?

Here he is in that final... Gavi has never had a single game in centre midfield even remotely close.

 
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