Frenkie de Jong

[JamDav1982]

Not FDJ and Gavi but this was for me Gavis best half of last season in terms of how to play that DM role with balance.

If he played like that then he and FDJ could be best bet.

Still think it is limiting FDJ and be better selling him than as a defensive DM though and getting in another DM while improving FFP.

 

[Birdy]

Not necessarily my point. Benching him meaning not being a starter. Project should be centered around other midfielders then (which it will anyway imo). Quite frankly, it's hard to care apart from the financial aspect. He's good enough to offer value even if he's leaving in 2 years time. It's not like the Lenglets, Ansus of this world...

Absolutely !
Serious clubs do not let themselves become hostages of the whims of any player with a high idea of himself
And when the finances are a sticking point, that stance becomes an imperative

If he is still not important to the team in 24/25, and he refuses to leave amicably on a transfer in summer 2025, the club should ABSOLUTELY sit him in the stands (and individual training) for the whole 25/26

What Allemany wanted to do with Dembele and numb-brained Xavi did not let him.
So, what happened in the end? Dembele still left bringing a ridiculously low fee for his quality, backstabbing the club again at the orders of Moussa

Serious clubs do not bend against player power. They crush them

 

[JamDav1982]

Wont happen as not way clubs operate for good reason.

Same as with Dembele.

It made zero sense then to anyone with a clue and served no purpose.

What happened with Dembele? He played.. helped club to 2nd and then helped club to win the league next season.

Xavi was 100% correct and the board were only ever posturing and Dembele/agent knew it.

Then fed into Dembele leaving and put him and agent in strong enough place to facilitate it.

Sit him in stands for last season is beyond moronic and doesnt serve as any 'warning' to others.

No serious club would act in that way.

 

[Birdy]

No serious club won't act in that way

Xavi was 100% wrong as on most things. He was massively dependent on Dembele to paper over the cracks of his faulty tactics. But the club should have known better, and never let Xavi have the last word on this

Allemany was 100% right.
Guess what: If Dembele had sat on the stands for spring 22, then Barca would have still finished 2nd (no real competition apart from Madrid), and they should have never offered him a new deal with clause.
Deal at the club's terms, take it or leave it. He had no serious offers in the summer '22, and Moussa would have budged. But even if he had left, the club had moved on that summer to sign Raphina (irrespective of how good Raphina turned out to be)
On the contrary, because of Xavi's insistence, the club offered him a deal on Moussa's terms, giving him an easy for them and bad for the club way out after 1 year

Same is with Frenkie now:
1) Retract the offer that is on the table, since he hasn't answered for months
2) if he is still unimportant in 24/25, ask him to pick a club to leave next summer. Offer on club's terms, but won't be big. Around 50-60m
3) If he refuses to go, then simply let him know he won't get a single min even in CdR 1st round
4) if he insists, stands and individual training for a year
Let's see then how many top clubs would go for someone who hasn't played for a year and has underlying injury problems

PS: Most of people here know how much I appreciate Dembele and his qualities.
But when it comes to club's well being, player power has to be absolutely eradicated

 

[JamDav1982]

No serious club acts the way numpties here think should..proof is in the pudding.

They were 100% correct to play Dembele.

 

[Birdy]

No serious club acts the way numpties here think should..proof is in the pudding.

They were 100% correct to play Dembele.

Aye, so much correct that he left after a year for peanuts

 

[JamDav1982]

Aye he did.. as the clubs inane threats to send him to stands played out.

He stayed for a year and a half... helping club to top 4/2nd then to win the league all while getting a fee of 35m. Not enough.. but that is the situation the club created with the player.

Alternative was to put him in stands and pay his salary anyway while nothing on pitch then most likely leave for fuck all.

Usual numpties on here thought they could just sack him etc.

0% understanding.

 

[Birdy]

Aye he did.. as the clubs inane threats to send him to stands played out.

He stayed for a year and a half... helping club to top 4/2nd then to win the league all while getting a fee of 35m. Not enough.. but that is the situation the club created with the player.

Alternative was to put him in stands and pay his salary anyway while nothing on pitch then most likely leave for fuck all.

Usual numpties on here thought they could just sack him etc.

0% understanding.

Another genius post...

He left in 2023. In 2022 he had no serious offers.
What would have he done then? Train at home for a year and wait for top clubs with top contracts to come?

He would have budged and accepted Barca's offer on THEIR terms, which don't include easy ways out after just 1 year

 

[JamDav1982]

Dembele played.. they finished 2nd and won the Super Cup/League the next season with him playing aslo. They then go on to lose him for 35m

There is no world where putting Dembele in stands and paying him while losing him for free that summer is a better alternative.

Imagine scenarios of 'threats' to players in future dont work either.

There is zero chance you get players to stay by threatening to not play them for months... zero understanding of how it works.

Players sign pre contracts all the time without fear of clubs putting them in stands and knowing will have to live with it if do.

Anyway zero chance it happens from any big club well run.

 

[Birdy]

Dembele played.. they finished 2nd and won the Super Cup/League the next season with him playing aslo. They then go on to lose him for 35m

There is no world where putting Dembele in stands and paying him while losing him for free that summer is a better alternative.

Imagine scenarios of 'threats' to players in future dont work either.

Because there is no world he goes for free in 2022, unless he wants to play for Rennes or that kind of level
That's what you can't get, although I am making it pretty apparent to you

What he does then in summer of 2022? Most likely he budges and accepts the Barca offer which is not what Moussa dreamt of

In such situations, the only negotiating lever the club has is the bench and the stands -> reduce the value of the player for the rest of the world, and thus reduce substantially the power a player has
Allemany, who has expertise on that, knew very well what to do. Idiots like Fatporta did not listen to him, but listened to Xavi

Numpty clubs, on the contrary, continue to maintain the player power by making them important for the team, keeping their stock high, and attracting good offers for them, but not for the club that loses the player, and gets no money at the end on top

 

[JamDav1982]

Haha ffs... aye great way to get a player to sign a new contract who is refusing to sign one and relationship is broken... threaten them.

Top stuff.

Bunch of numpties in charge if think that will work.

They can thank Xavi for that solution with Dembele.

Absolute cloud cukoo land if think Dembele signs contract with a board who are threatening to put him out of football for months and actually do it.

They tried that.. it failed.

 

[Birdy]

Haha ffs... aye great way to get a player to sign a new contract who is refusing to sign one and relationship is broken... threaten them.

Top stuff.

Bunch of numpties in charge if think that will work.

Aye, bunch of numpties like Allemany
and bunch of geniuses like Xavi

Suits you

 

[JamDav1982]

Aye, bunch of numpties like Allemany
and bunch of geniuses like Xavi

Suits you

Haha no... they played him and the board have ultimate control over who can play not the coach.

Try again.

Alemany also one who paid 50m for Lewa and he is on 32m this season at 36.

Numpty decision.

 

[Birdy]

Haha no... they played him and the board have ultimate control over who can play not the coach.

Try again.

Alemany also one who paid 50m for Lewa and he is on 32m this season.

Numpty decision.

Lewa is not on Allemany
It's on Xavi and Fatporta again

You haven't realized that Laporta commited a serious crime by letting Xavi 'lead the project' in recruitment and demand transfers.
Xavi was insistent he wants only Lewa for CF, Laporta negotiated that with his buddy Zahavi.

Allemany had nothing to do with it.

 

[JamDav1982]

Calma.. I said they got it wrong with the threat as it didnt work.

Would have been complete numpty level to put him in stands if wont renew and lose him for free at end of season all while paying him for 6 months.

Numpty level stuff.

Alemany is the money man and thats what he gets credit for... see Lewa fee/contract.