Frenkie de Jong
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JamDav1982
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Nope the threat did not work at all.. made no difference to him signing renewal in the January and then they started to play him again...
Had zero impact other than making relationship worse for the summer.
They wanted the renewal in January to help with FFP.. it failed.. Dembele would not sign it.. then they realised they had to play him as made no sense whatsoever to stick him in stands after that.
There is no world where Dembele and his agent get threatened into signing a contract with 4 months left of a season.
Zero.
Had zero impact other than making relationship worse for the summer.
They wanted the renewal in January to help with FFP.. it failed.. Dembele would not sign it.. then they realised they had to play him as made no sense whatsoever to stick him in stands after that.
There is no world where Dembele and his agent get threatened into signing a contract with 4 months left of a season.
Zero.
Birdy
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Well, the threat and punishment should have started earlier, that's for sure
But even for 6 months, it does its damage.
Given that we know what happened, and Dembele had no serious offers in summer 22 apart from Barca,
the punishment would have been super effective in giving negotiating power to the club
This is not about flowers and love. Could not care less if a move makes the relationship worse when you are about to get damaged as a club. You do the best for your interests
Same with Frenkie now.
The guy has ABSOLUTELY refused to help the club the last 2 years in severe financial crisis. He showed 0 intention of helping.
Who has strained the relationship??
Are you going to say 'oh no don't do something that will make the relationship worse?' if the club sits him on the stands after him refusing to leave
LMFAO
But even for 6 months, it does its damage.
Given that we know what happened, and Dembele had no serious offers in summer 22 apart from Barca,
the punishment would have been super effective in giving negotiating power to the club
This is not about flowers and love. Could not care less if a move makes the relationship worse when you are about to get damaged as a club. You do the best for your interests
Same with Frenkie now.
The guy has ABSOLUTELY refused to help the club the last 2 years in severe financial crisis. He showed 0 intention of helping.
Who has strained the relationship??
Are you going to say 'oh no don't do something that will make the relationship worse?' if the club sits him on the stands after him refusing to leave
LMFAO
JamDav1982
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The threat didnt start earlier as they were negotiating a new contract and not way to enter those negotiations.
They actually agreed on contract but basically when signed Torres it exposed a lot of the nonsense they had been feeding them during negotiations.
That renewal breakdown fucked up Alemany plans and the release of FFP in January.
So they started the threat then and it was only really relevant during that January and Dembele/agent ignored it.
It achieved nothing.
They actually agreed on contract but basically when signed Torres it exposed a lot of the nonsense they had been feeding them during negotiations.
That renewal breakdown fucked up Alemany plans and the release of FFP in January.
So they started the threat then and it was only really relevant during that January and Dembele/agent ignored it.
It achieved nothing.
FinBarcelonafan
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United collecting all the old Ajax players. Frenkie next.
jamrock
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If only.
JamDav1982
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Frenkie is better placed at Barcelona but United getting more attractive would think.
Birdy
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You are confusing different things
-For the FFP, it was important that Dembele renews that January. The threat did not work there, as it could work only if he renewed
- As for losing Dembele for free AND paying his exorbitant wages, the threat was still effective, and had it turned into a punishment, Dembele's value would have dropped, and that could have caused drop of interest in him from other clubs (and thus lower or no offers)
PS: In general, any club should resolve renewals before final year of contract.
If there is no agreement, and the player refuses to go the final summer before the last year, then there is no more space for negotiations.
1) Numpty clubs will say 'let's play them they may help us'
, giving stupidly away their only weapon, and letting the player have power, with his stock high, and offers from outside multiplying so he not only leaves on a free but with signing bonuses and better wages
2) Clinical and serious clubs send them to the stands, reducing their value, which doesn't concern them at this point, but concerns very much the player themselves and their future clubs.
Offers are getting reduced, and the player is risking a lot in insisting, as they are jeopardizing their career by accepting a year of inertia
Elementary stuff
-For the FFP, it was important that Dembele renews that January. The threat did not work there, as it could work only if he renewed
- As for losing Dembele for free AND paying his exorbitant wages, the threat was still effective, and had it turned into a punishment, Dembele's value would have dropped, and that could have caused drop of interest in him from other clubs (and thus lower or no offers)
PS: In general, any club should resolve renewals before final year of contract.
If there is no agreement, and the player refuses to go the final summer before the last year, then there is no more space for negotiations.
1) Numpty clubs will say 'let's play them they may help us'
, giving stupidly away their only weapon, and letting the player have power, with his stock high, and offers from outside multiplying so he not only leaves on a free but with signing bonuses and better wages2) Clinical and serious clubs send them to the stands, reducing their value, which doesn't concern them at this point, but concerns very much the player themselves and their future clubs.
Offers are getting reduced, and the player is risking a lot in insisting, as they are jeopardizing their career by accepting a year of inertia
Elementary stuff
JamDav1982
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Nope not confusing anything... I literally said the FFP related to January and deals then. The 'threat' in that January failed.
Keep up.
PS.. the club were trying to get him to sign a new contract as stated... there is no benefit to put that on hold and threaten a player who knows will weaken team if they try it.
There is no threat for Dembele that would work... players agents wont sign a contract based on a threat of not playing for 4 months.. when they know would be moronic to even follow through on it.
You will not be able to name one 'serious' club that will put a player in stands in same situation..
Simples.
Keep up.
PS.. the club were trying to get him to sign a new contract as stated... there is no benefit to put that on hold and threaten a player who knows will weaken team if they try it.
There is no threat for Dembele that would work... players agents wont sign a contract based on a threat of not playing for 4 months.. when they know would be moronic to even follow through on it.
You will not be able to name one 'serious' club that will put a player in stands in same situation..
Simples.
TheStig
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This things don't exist in vakuum, they have broader consequences. Send FDJ to individual trainings and no play time for a season or even two and every potential transfer target will think twice if he wants to go to a club where that can happen. Especially for a player who didn't do anything wrong, he just played, trained and signed the contracts that we offered to him. He's not WC as we wanted him to be but he didn't do anything wrong. Even a lot bigger homegrown legends wanted every penny that was promised to them, we can't blame FDJ for the same thing.
We already had a public rejection by Mokio because how we treat Faye, I'm sure Nico sees what we are doing to Roque and that goes into his calculation of which club to chose. A few months of bad form or simply a financial need from the club and it could be Nico treated the same way. Fuck a club like that, he's got Athletic who treat him right and he can eventually go to a serious big club who respect their players.
We already had a public rejection by Mokio because how we treat Faye, I'm sure Nico sees what we are doing to Roque and that goes into his calculation of which club to chose. A few months of bad form or simply a financial need from the club and it could be Nico treated the same way. Fuck a club like that, he's got Athletic who treat him right and he can eventually go to a serious big club who respect their players.
JamDav1982
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They can send him to individual training regardless.
It is inane to put players in the stand due to not accepting clubs terms on a renewal.
Look at just about any high profile player at any club with expiring contracts and see how many behave like this...
From smaller clubs.. in Athletic with Nico or likes of Liverpool with TAA.. Bayern with Davies and Kimmich. Let me guess it become them being CL winner or some other mental gymnastics..
Can easily find more examples if that is the argument.
None of them will do that as they are not numpties with no idea how to treat the situation.
Why not just put Lewa in the stand when he wont leave and give up 32m?
Why not punt Gundo with year back if refuses to leave?
Lets show future players daring to reject a contact who is boss!
It is inane to put players in the stand due to not accepting clubs terms on a renewal.
Look at just about any high profile player at any club with expiring contracts and see how many behave like this...
From smaller clubs.. in Athletic with Nico or likes of Liverpool with TAA.. Bayern with Davies and Kimmich. Let me guess it become them being CL winner or some other mental gymnastics..
Can easily find more examples if that is the argument.
None of them will do that as they are not numpties with no idea how to treat the situation.
Why not just put Lewa in the stand when he wont leave and give up 32m?
Why not punt Gundo with year back if refuses to leave?
Lets show future players daring to reject a contact who is boss!
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khaled_a_d
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Putting a player on the stands during negotiations will be a hell of a way to lose the entire dressing room and aligning them against the club.
Those are young men who trains, travel, eat, share rooms etc every day for months. You think they will accept an unfair treatment to one of them because the board fucked up before and don't want to pay for their mistake?
Never mind that player has been actually voted by the players as vice captain,he is a popular figure in the dressing room.
Players has contracts and they have the right to honour them if they want. There are ways to push them out or pressure them, but they are limited at the end.
Those are young men who trains, travel, eat, share rooms etc every day for months. You think they will accept an unfair treatment to one of them because the board fucked up before and don't want to pay for their mistake?
Never mind that player has been actually voted by the players as vice captain,he is a popular figure in the dressing room.
Players has contracts and they have the right to honour them if they want. There are ways to push them out or pressure them, but they are limited at the end.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Haha no they cant realistically... what planet are folk on if think that benefits club in any way.
Usual clueless nonsense from same folk.
Usual clueless nonsense from same folk.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Done when? With whom?
Only Mathues Fernandez, and we actually had a case, and the court initially sided with him.
Frenkie is entirely different case, and he could very well get his money and some extra compensation.
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