Gerard Deulofeu

[Antimadridista1]

Going on loan at Real Sociedad , Valencia or Malaga ( a team which is playing C1 or Europa league) would be a great experience for him if he becomes a starter.
But honnestly, I would love to see him playing for Barcelona next season and making the trio Neymar - Messi - Deulofeu.

 

[darthvader7888]

Going out on loan could be good for him if it's the right team (not too shitty, not so good that he can't get minutes) and he's a starter. Sociedad, Valencia or Malaga could be great choices to loan him to if he gets significant minutes for them. I don't know that much about any of the 3 clubs, so I don't know whether he'd get those minutes for them.

I'm curious as to whether he could get significant minutes for Sociedad, Valencia or Malaga. Anyone who follows one or more of them wanna fill me in?

 

[Flavia]

Going on loan at Real Sociedad , Valencia or Malaga ( a team which is playing C1 or Europa league) would be a great experience for him if he becomes a starter.
But honnestly, I would love to see him playing for Barcelona next season and making the trio Neymar - Messi - Deulofeu.

Deulo would have to be brilliant to bench Pedro/Tello/Alexis. Even if one of these 3 is not here next season, he wouldn't have much play time.

Going out on loan could be good for him if it's the right team (not too shitty, not so good that he can't get minutes) and he's a starter. Sociedad, Valencia or Malaga could be great choices to loan him to if he starts for them. I don't know that much about any of the 3 clubs, so I don't know whether he'd start for them.

I'm curious as to whether he could get significant minutes for Sociedad, Valencia or Malaga. Anyone who follows one or more of them wanna fill me in?

I don't think neither of those would be good choices. Can't see him getting many minutes on any of them. I'd send him to Ajax, actually. Or maybe betis or rayo.

 

[USWAY]

Ronaldo was greedy and selfish at that age but not to the extent that Delofeu is at a far, far lower level.

Not only do I call BS, your admitting Deulofeu plays on a "far, far lower level". Seeing as he's clearly more talented than everyone he plays with, you'd expect him to be a bit more selfish; what's was Ronaldo's excuse playing against his level of competition?

Gerard would be right on par with these other young stars if we played our youth at all, same with Thiago and Tello. The only way these guys will break their inconsistencies and issues with their game with is extended playing time, which they don't have here. So no it's not bias, it judging it differently then you would guys who play week in week out for their clubs.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not only do I call BS, your admitting Deulofeu plays on a "far, far lower level". Seeing as he's clearly more talented than everyone he plays with, you'd expect him to be a bit more selfish; what's was Ronaldo's excuse playing against his level of competition?

Gerard would be right on par with these other young stars if we played our youth at all, same with Thiago and Tello. The only way these guys will break their inconsistencies and issues with their game with is extended playing time, which they don't have here. So no it's not bias, it judging it differently then you would guys who play week in week out for their clubs.

Strange argument really.

The reason Deulofeu has not been called up to the first team is the fact he can be so selfish and greedy. This has held him at the level he has been at.

It did not hold Ronaldo back who as I said was starring for his national team and being voted the best young player in the world at this age.

 

[DonAndres]

It's pretty obvious that it's much harder to break into the current Barca and Spain setup than the United/Portugal one that Ronaldo did.

Plus Deulofeu plays at a club where selfishness is absolutely looked down upon whereas they were more lenient with Ronaldo's bad habits. And you act as if Deulofeu is nowhere near top level and couldn't play there if he wanted to. He's gotten offers from City, Dortmund, etc. and Del Bosque has even said that they were close to calling Gerard up to the senior NT. The reason he hasn't been playing at top level is because of more cautious development, perhaps a little too cautious. Not to mention the fact that the youth handling this season has been abysmal under Tito.

 

[spark]

Strange argument really.

The reason Deulofeu has not been called up to the first team is the fact he can be so selfish and greedy. This has held him at the level he has been at.

It did not hold Ronaldo back who as I said was starring for his national team and being voted the best young player in the world at this age.

You have it backwards.They encourage arrogance and individualism at other clubs whereas Barca does not promote players like Deulo and Thiago fully till they learn to keep their feet on the ground. Its not that hard to comprehend.

 

[JamDav1982]

It's pretty obvious that it's much harder to break into the current Barca and Spain setup than the United/Portugal one that Ronaldo did.

Plus Deulofeu plays at a club where selfishness is absolutely looked down upon whereas they were more lenient with Ronaldo's bad habits. And you act as if Deulofeu is nowhere near top level and couldn't play there if he wanted to. He's gotten offers from City, Dortmund, etc. and Del Bosque has even said that they were close to calling Gerard up to the senior NT. The reason he hasn't been playing at top level is because of more cautious development, perhaps a little too cautious. Not to mention the fact that the youth handling this season has been abysmal under Tito.

What I am saying is that the comparison between Deulofeu and Ronaldo at this age is massively in Ronaldo's favour. At that age he was greedy but had a far better all round game understanding than Deulofeu does at the moment. He would have walked into any team in the world at that age.

He was performing at a higher standard against oppsition that were in a different stratosphere to what Ronaldo was doing.

From watching Deulofeu for the b team I think it is fairly easy to see why he was not promoted to the first team - he has nowhere near a good enough all round game yet but has massive potential if it clicks with him.

You can point to the likes of Man City and Dortmund all you like but I doubt any of them would have taken him as a first team regular they would have been taken a gamble on his massive potential for the future.

This is Ronaldo at 19 - he is so far ahead in terms of all round play it is obvious to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sthLRgzzVlU

 

[JamDav1982]

You have it backwards.They encourage arrogance and individualism at other clubs whereas Barca does not promote players like Deulo and Thiago fully till they learn to keep their feet on the ground. Its not that hard to comprehend.

Man Utd dont encourage arrogance or individualism at all.

They knew he was good enough for the first team and was going to develop.

Ronaldo at 19 would probably be the best wide player at Barcelona now.

 

[spark]

It's pretty obvious that it's much harder to break into the current Barca and Spain setup than the United/Portugal one that Ronaldo did.

Plus Deulofeu plays at a club where selfishness is absolutely looked down upon whereas they were more lenient with Ronaldo's bad habits. And you act as if Deulofeu is nowhere near top level and couldn't play there if he wanted to. He's gotten offers from City, Dortmund, etc. and Del Bosque has even said that they were close to calling Gerard up to the senior NT. The reason he hasn't been playing at top level is because of more cautious development, perhaps a little too cautious. Not to mention the fact that the youth handling this season has been abysmal under Tito.

No way Breaking into Barca's first team now is the same as doing it in a team that sold Beckham and gave you the number 7 shirt and finished 15 and 18 points behind the champions in the next two seasons.

 

[DonAndres]

No way in hell...

Look at all the highlight reels you want but that doesn't change the fact that for every neat skill he did, there were 10 failed overdribbling attempts where he got dispossessed. For every amazing shot he had, there were 10 that he skied into the stands. Ronaldo was a player of extreme selfishness and failed many MANY times before he got it right. All those attempts are at the expense of decent chances he could've left his teammates to create.

 

[JamDav1982]

No way Breaking into Barca's first team now is the same as doing it in a team that sold Beckham and gave you the number 7 shirt and finished 15 and 18 points behind the champions in the next two seasons.

Getting a game on the wing ahead of Pedro, Tello, Sanchez etc.

He was better than them at 19 in my opinion. Good enough to be one of the top players at an intl tournament.

 

[JamDav1982]

No way in hell...

Look at all the highlight reels you want but that doesn't change the fact that for every neat skill he did, there were 10 failed overdribbling attempts where he got dispossessed. For every amazing shot he had, there were 10 that he skied into the stands. Ronaldo was a player of extreme selfishness and failed many MANY times before he got it right. All those attempts are at the expense of decent chances he could've left his teammates to create.

Yet he was voted in the team of the tournament, Uefa team of year and voted best young player in world.

He had his greedy moments but his all round game was far above what Deulofeu is at the moment.

 

[FCBarca]

Loan would be a great idea, IMO...Assuming Neymar is coming, throw in Tello & Pedro and Deulofeu would not see too much in the way of playing time

 

[spark]

Getting a game on the wing ahead of Pedro, Tello, Sanchez etc.

He was better than them at 19 in my opinion. Good enough to be one of the top players at an intl tournament.

Its not as if those 4 goals that he scored in 2003-2004 would have taken us to the next level. One thing is you are looking back with the hindsight of the player he became so the flaws of back then and lack of productivity are being softened. Right now they would tell him to pass and move and cut down the excessive step overs.