Gerard Deulofeu
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Jamie Cal
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Yep, right on the ball.
Look at their midfield right now -- Iborra, Nzonzi, Krychowiak -- big, hardened, physical men. There isn't a great deal of room from creativity, certainly not for 90 minutes. Denis and Deulo were NEVER gonna be key personnel. It's no wonder that Gerry is flourishing so well under Martinez, he fits like a glove.
Also, I will remind you lot - Gerry had the MOST ASSISTS at Sevilla last season, joint with Bacca. And do I really need to post vidyas of the magical goals and assists Denis laid on for Sevilla?! Seek out his performance for Sevilla against Milan(I think?) in pre-season.
Richard.H
Senior Member
Yes, Emery is not the greatest of coaches to develop young talent. I was watching the Sevilla games last season and everytime Gerard was subbed out, he showed notable disappointment and anger. There were a few games where Deulofeu looked deadly but a lot of other ones where he was invisible (most notably against RM in the Bernabeu last season). Add to that the amount of rumors that surfaced about Deulofeu not being on the same page as Emery.
Another thing, if Emery is so bad with developing young talent, then why did he play Denis Suarez much more than him? Suarez had an excellent season under Emery and the coach rewarded him with more playing time. I feel like the media and this forum blow out of proportion just how bad Emery is.
You can't find concrete proof for things like this. It'll always be stated as rumors by the media, but the general public is smart enough (hopefully) to realize when a player is not favored, when there are chemistry problems, etc. Not many coaches or other team representatives will go in front of the media and say, "Yes, there are currently many issues with player X's behavior". What I'm trying to say is that you will not find many direct quotes to show that there problems with a player.
I'm not sure why you pulled out the US political card since this discussion is no way comparable to such matters.
Another thing I want to add is that I would love to be proven wrong. I would love for Deulofeu to come here and show his worth. I would gladly eat my words if he lives up to the hype. It's simply my personal opinion that he doesn't seem to be a strong fit for this squad. My opinion doesn't hold more weight than any other users in this forum.
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Mike the Knife
You just confirmed what I have been saying, no evidence...Everything else is just conjecture and, no, you're not smart enough to know better than me or some journalist who isn't privy to what actually goes on behind closed doors...Moreover, no talent, no matter how big, could go for a decade playing at a massive club & starring there & with the NT and somehow never be credibly linked to a disciplinary or poor attitude problem...They's simply never last and certainly wouldn't be promoted, made Captain etc.
There are plenty of examples of disciplinary issues with youth players who imploded or were never promoted, given the captain's armband etc...You're grasping at straws with that argument
Absolutely relevant, it's part & parcel of US media that loves innuendo/gossip, rinse & repeat and everyone accepts it as fact
And my contention has never been that he doesn't have a personality less in line with Xavi/Iniesta than say CR but it is irresponsible to keep repeating innuendo and treating it as fact...Moreover, I have only ever said he has deserved a chance with the 1st team, like everyone down to the social club member JDS who was with the 1st team for 5 seasons!
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Mike the Knife
I would love to see him be given an opportunity with the 1st team like all the other cantera players of quality, none have as much talent as him...Not every cantera player will have the profile/personality of Xavi, Iniesta & Messi - doesn't make him any less a talent much less blaugrana
Gerard has every right to feel aggrieved, particularly when you consider how many times he has spurned poaching from the Premiership over the years which underscores his loyalty to his Catalan club...What better atmosphere to get him to learn about teamwork, if that's truly the concern, than with a group of players like Lucho has at his disposal.
As it is, I don't understand the value for him at a club like Everton where he is clearly the biggest talent there and in a league where he is afforded the sort of space he'll rarely see with Barcelona...Particularly when you consider being the top dog at a mid level club like Everton isn't preparing him for how to handle ego or teamwork when he won't be vying for the biggest trophies there...No one questions his attacking prowess, especially in space
He's been mishandled and I'm certainly not alone in this opinion even if it's a minority one on the forum...We're seeing a strange way to bring along youth players - Samper, Adama, Dongou & Grimaldo have long been prized talents but they are floundering atm
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I gave you the evidence. He said he needed to play to feel loved and regarding Barca he said he wanted a career not to sit on the bench. This was only a month of so ago to the Liverpool press. Don't make me find the exact quotes.
His attitude isn't bad when he's playing but the lad just doesn't want to sit on the bench.
What this also means is the debate to keep or sell him is redundant. He wouldn't have been the same player, having the same season sitting on the bench for Barca. He would just be counting down the days till his contract runs out. It's also the reason why Barca would be mad to bring him back unless they thought he could realistically compete for a large amount of minutes in either Messi or Neymar's position or to play a formation that played all 3 perhaps with Messi moved in to the middle.
It's the same reason Lukaku came to us. Players want to play and at that age it's more important being at a club were the manager believes in you and will play you than earning more money or being at a bigger club. The amount of careers that fade away to nothing because players do that and essentially drop behind their peers through lack of experience is unreal.
Also as for a mid-level club.
Lukaku is wanted by everyone it seems including PSG, Utd and probably others. Currently he is the 2nd best scorer in the league.
Barkley is probably England's best player and only 21
Stones is one of the best defenders for his age who is rated at 21
Coleman and Baines are two of the best fullbacks in the league who we've had to reject offers from PSG and Utd respectively.
Funes Mori and Jags are Argentina and England CBs
etc
We aren't Barca but we are a pretty good team and if you had watched the game Villa parked the bus like most teams do against us until the first couple of goals went in.
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KingMessi
SiempreBlaugrana
I said a bigger club.
Oh snap, I missed that!
JamDav1982
Senior Member
He is not the biggest talent at Everton.
Stones, Barkely and Lukaku are having better seasons.
I doubt you even watch them and just see Deulofeu stats each week and proclaim him the 'biggest talent'.
Duelofeu seems to be getting better each week but if you were to put the four of them on the market those other players would be going for double/treble what Deulofeu would just now.
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Mike the Knife
Follow along, the post you've quoted wasn't directed at you
Does that quote have anything to do with being on Barcelona's bench?...Or slavery for that matter?...If so, you'll have to pull the quote rather than spout nonsense
Or perhaps, if you comprehended what you read you might've realized that the sitting on the bench might've referred to Sevilla where he barely played yet led the team in assists
Same thing I said during his first loan with Everton, he's too good to just sit on the bench...Find a post where I claimed he should be happy sitting on the bench, at any club
As it stands, since evidence is not your strength Deulofeu has less minutes for a mid table club in the Premiership than the combo of Sandro/Munir...So no, he wouldn't have simply been playing on the bench but he didn't get to decide as the club wanted him to keep working on his game via the new way of loaning players with the sale/buyback to your club
You're again illustrating how little you watch/understand youth development...Lukaku went for a big contract after being dumped by Chelsea which shows no patience for player development
I know you fail to grasp the concept of evidence but that's what your club is based on evidence, since 2004 with an average finish of 8th in the table...Mid table...Don't be hurt because you think it's a dig, it's simply a fact
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Basically you are confirming what we are arguing ,no evidence .no facts .just rumors
Emery didn't play D.Suarez that much ,most of his games he was subbed in and not a starter. until February both of them were almost playing same amount until Gerard said he had no interest for another loan .fans started to whistle him and Emery put him on his dog house (and ffs ,that comment was pointed to Barca not Sevilla)
This is probably one of the reasons Barca started the sell with buyback option over loans .Gerard for Sevilla was clearly not a player for the future and wasn't worth playing him . they had Vidal & Reyes in his position too so they really didn't need to play him either
D.Suarez himself asked to leave .even for another inferior team and he was the one pushed himself out of Sevilla . he is another prove that Emery isn't the best for a young player
BigBarcaBoy
Active member
I said a bigger club.
What is it like under that big shadow ? Anyway the facts are that ripping Villa apart is one thing, he still lacks consistency and hasn't really done against the so called big boys
spark
New member
Quite simply he played Denis slightly more because he was having him for 2 seasons, or so he thought. Denis was smart enough to realize that he would end up having the same treatment as Gerard this season so he forced his way out. Probably even worse because Emery was intent on punishing him for not being intense in training after he lost motivation from being left out of the team. In short, Emery is a jerk or at least not suitable for certain types of young players and cases like Isco, Paco Alcacer and Cheryshev support that. I also don't know about him rewarding Denis either. Denis saved Sevilla's European season with a last minute goal against Zenit and Emery never played him in any of the following games even when 3-0 or 4-0 up on aggregate. No minutes in the Europa final nor the Super Cup and its clear why the kid wanted out. If it was so good there he would never have been so desperate to leave a club like Sevilla but playing time, suitable systems and support from the coach is the most important thing and great on Denis for recognizing that.
I just like correcting you
I already said that it did. But here's a link. It was a much quoted article so I'm surprised you haven't read it.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/16/gerard-deulofeu-everton-homecoming
"he says. “I want to have my career, not sit on the bench. I want to work hard, to push myself. I want to play.”
http://www.theevertonforum.co.uk/deulofeu-i-need-to-be-playing-to-feel-important/
"I need to be playing, to feel important."
The first one referred to why he moved. The 2nd one was earlier in the season when he wasn't playing so much and was fit. You really should read what I say before making a fool of yourself.
As it stands. It would appear comprehension isn't your strength. FCBarca, I think GOT has changed you. You were much nicer before.
I would call that top half but historically we are the club who have been the 4th most successful in England so I guess it depends whether history means anything to you. I would have expected it would to a Barca fan and not a City fan.
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Mike the Knife
There wasn't anything to correct, worry about the quality of your own posts
Comprehension...Referred to Sevilla
Nice banter, still devoid of any substance or relevance to what I posted...Nothing has changed, no patience for ignorance
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