Gerard Deulofeu

[unknowngenius10]

Using Whoscored for raw stats vs using Whoscored for ratings....... Jeez You can't seem to come up with anything remotely rational.

Yeah, b.c Whoscored is not using "raw data" to quantify ratings.

*facepalm

 

[Icarium]

He will definitely be a good sub. But that is pretty much it, he really needs to improve a lot to even reach Pedro level.

 

[te amo barca]

He can do much better.

 

[Adversus]

He didn't produce it though. I could also say that if we didn't have a dumbass like Deulofeu constantly messing up on the RW and producing almost 0 successful attacking actions, we could have someone playing there who would've made plays like Roberto's smart cutback. Could've scored way earlier with a competent player instead of Deulofeu.

Hypotheticals are all a messy business, but just because shitty Deulofeu happened to mess up as part of an attack doesn't mean any credit goes to him. As Jamdav said, might as well always dribble straight into players and then claim credit for teammates brilliance recovering from your mistake if that's how it goes.

The two goals weren't hypothetical. They directly lead from Deulofeu's actions. Maybe your expectations are higher because he's now a Barca player. Based on watching him for 3 seasons at Everton he has been doing well this season although today wasn't one of his best games.

 

[JamDav1982]

The two goals weren't hypothetical. They directly lead from Deulofeu's actions.

No they dont, that equaliser is not from his actions.

 

[Zinedinho]

Wow... this discussion...

 

[DonAndres]

Yeah, b.c Whoscored is not using "raw data" to quantify ratings.

*facepalm

That's a stupid excuse and you know it, Whoscored rating system is practically arbitrary. Why not look at the actual stats and interpret them if you actually think you're in the right?

To recap, the two arguments you've made so far are that his several failed dribbles and crosses and generally shitty plays were "wearing them out" and therefore are the basis of a great performance and that his whoscored rating is a 7. Are you seriously sitting there thinking that you've proven a great case based on those two points? I have nothing further to say if you think any of that is even close to a rational argument.

 

[unknowngenius10]

That's a stupid excuse and you know it, Whoscored rating system is practically arbitrary. Why not look at the actual stats and interpret them if you actually think you're in the right?

To recap, the two arguments you've made so far are that his several failed dribbles and crosses and generally shitty plays were "wearing them out" and therefore are the basis of a great performance and that his whoscored rating is a 7. Are you seriously sitting there thinking that you've proven a great case based on those two points? I have nothing further to say if you think any of that is even close to a rational argument.

ohh, so you think Deulofeu is shit, so you give me statistics from Whoscored to prove your point. But when I use your own source to prove you wrong, since they give Deulofeu a good overall rating, your response is : "That's a stupid excuse and you know it. Whoscored rating system is practically arbitrary"

Not that it is necessary, but here's a link that tells you how the scores of players are calculated.

https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you are gonna use whoscored, or you are not. And if you are, then I have all the right in the world to use your own source to prove you wrong.

 

[khaled_a_d]

If Dembele injury is 2 month as reported then he is starting whether we like it or not, let's hope he proves doubters wrong

 

[Raketa10]

Next 3 months will be crucial for his career. He will get plenty of chances to prove he deserves Barca shirt. Come on Gerard now it's time to shine!

 

[LeeRomeno]

Chance of a lifetime

 

[Barcaman]

And it's still LSD so we're good

 

[God Serena]

And it's still LSD so we're good

Naaahhhhhh man.

Suarez, Messi, Gerard.

SMG

 

[Adversus]

That's a stupid excuse and you know it, Whoscored rating system is practically arbitrary. Why not look at the actual stats and interpret them if you actually think you're in the right?

To recap, the two arguments you've made so far are that his several failed dribbles and crosses and generally shitty plays were "wearing them out" and therefore are the basis of a great performance and that his whoscored rating is a 7. Are you seriously sitting there thinking that you've proven a great case based on those two points? I have nothing further to say if you think any of that is even close to a rational argument.

Whoscored gives an unbiased rating. It's not perfect of course but getting 7 is decent especially considering he didn't play the whole game.

 

[DonAndres]

ohh, so you think Deulofeu is shit, so you give me statistics from Whoscored to prove your point. But when I use your own source to prove you wrong, since they give Deulofeu a good overall rating, your response is : "That's a stupid excuse and you know it. Whoscored rating system is practically arbitrary"

Not that it is necessary, but here's a link that tells you how the scores of players are calculated.

https://www.whoscored.com/Explanations

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you are gonna use whoscored, or you are not. And if you are, then I have all the right in the world to use your own source to prove you wrong.

Do you simply not understand that a rating is, by definition, an *interpretation* of statistics? The stats are all raw data and recorded to the best of their system's ability. There's no "two ways" about raw stats, the numbers are what they are and the only argument is if those numbers are incorrectly recorded. The rating algorithm is not subjective but it is still an interpretation and can therefore be wrong and often is. Or do you genuinely believe that Lorenzo Insigne and Dybala are top 5 players in Europe this season as their ratings suggest? Or that Illarramendi was a top 10 la liga player in 16/17?? No? Thought so.

Prove me wrong? You haven't offered any proof or argument of anything. You've made one of the stupidest points I've ever seen on this forum "wearing them out" by playing foolishly and then said that him getting a 7 is the same as looking at his ACTUAL dribbling/passing/shooting statistics to deem a great performance. You go to a whoscored rating to make your opinion for you instead of analyzing the performance as a whole and using stats to back it up, maybe because the actual opinions you come up with are so devoid of reason that it's impossible to argue with.

You actually blatantly ignore my main points with every reply. You have nothing to say about Deulofeu's horrendous 1/6 dribble completion rate, or the fact that with a high volume of usage he still managed to do nothing except produce failed dribbles and failed crosses. That the "goal" he was responsible for was actually just his error, and that his teammates had to recover from that error to set up an actual chance to score that Deulofeu in no way aided.

Whoscored gives an unbiased rating. It's not perfect of course but getting 7 is decent especially considering he didn't play the whole game.

Unbiased =/= accurate. See above as to why whoscored ratings can and often are wrong. Neymar would clearly have been the best in the world for over a year now and all manner of OK performing midtable players would be seen as far better than many world class counterparts. An implicit rule #1 of any stats site is to look at the objective data and not a fricking rating.

He didn't even get a 7 as much as unknowngenius tries to point out. That's his season average so far. He got a 6.2 vs Getafe which is just 0.2 above the default. He didn't do well whatsoever, not even near it.