Gerard Deulofeu

[unknowngenius10]

Do you simply not understand that a rating is, by definition, an *interpretation* of statistics? The stats are all raw data and recorded to the best of their system's ability. There's no "two ways" about raw stats, the numbers are what they are and the only argument is if those numbers are incorrectly recorded. The rating algorithm is not subjective but it is still an interpretation and can therefore be wrong and often is. Or do you genuinely believe that Lorenzo Insigne and Dybala are top 5 players in Europe this season as their ratings suggest? Or that Illarramendi was a top 10 la liga player in 16/17?? No? Thought so.

Prove me wrong? You haven't offered any proof or argument of anything. You've made one of the stupidest points I've ever seen on this forum "wearing them out" by playing foolishly and then said that him getting a 7 is the same as looking at his ACTUAL dribbling/passing/shooting statistics to deem a great performance. You go to a whoscored rating to make your opinion for you instead of analyzing the performance as a whole and using stats to back it up, maybe because the actual opinions you come up with are so devoid of reason that it's impossible to argue with.

You actually blatantly ignore my main points with every reply. You have nothing to say about Deulofeu's horrendous 1/6 dribble completion rate, or the fact that with a high volume of usage he still managed to do nothing except produce failed dribbles and failed crosses. That the "goal" he was responsible for was actually just his error, and that his teammates had to recover from that error to set up an actual chance to score that Deulofeu in no way aided.



Unbiased =/= accurate. See above as to why whoscored ratings can and often are wrong. Neymar would clearly have been the best in the world for over a year now and all manner of OK performing midtable players would be seen as far better than many world class counterparts. An implicit rule #1 of any stats site is to look at the objective data and not a fricking rating.

He didn't even get a 7 as much as unknowngenius tries to point out. That's his season average so far. He got a 6.2 vs Getafe which is just 0.2 above the default. He didn't do well whatsoever, not even near it.

"Ratings are considered to be the most accurate, respected and well-known performance indicators in the world of football. Our ratings are currently used among media giants, bookmakers and football clubs. "

This is from the same website you want to pick and choose w.e fits your agenda. You can't have your cake and eat it too. it doesn't work that way

 

[gatsu]

"Ratings are considered to be the most accurate, respected and well-known performance indicators in the world of football. Our ratings are currently used among media giants, bookmakers and football clubs. "

This is from the same website you want to pick and choose w.e fits your agenda. You can't have your cake and eat it too. it doesn't work that way

BS. Considered one of the best indicator by whom? Football media and bookmakers. come on you cant be serious by taking those clowns as credible sources regarding football analysis.

Football is a team sport played by 22 human players. The number of variables to take into consideration for converting the overall performance into mathematical data is pratically infinite.

So unless a scientific publication proves otherways. Whoscored numbers are just fot show.

 

[DonAndres]

"Ratings are considered to be the most accurate, respected and well-known performance indicators in the world of football. Our ratings are currently used among media giants, bookmakers and football clubs. "

This is from the same website you want to pick and choose w.e fits your agenda. You can't have your cake and eat it too. it doesn't work that way

"Muh have your cake and eat it too" you really are a character. "Ratings are considered to be the most accurate blah blah"

You're establishing this false equivalence between using "Whoscored the website" for stats and using it for ratings. They are two different things. Different words, different definitions. I never once mentioned Deulofeu's rating and then you come back and claiming to prove me wrong using "the same" platform as if I used the same metric for performance that you are now using.

Hell, I shouldn't even have to justify this. Whoscored doesn't even record stats themselves, they use Opta as a source. So in essence, I am using Whoscored as a medium for Opta statistics and my entire argument uses Opta statistics to back up observational claims. Yours is to use some random stupid Whoscored algorithm that would call Illarramendi a top 10 La liga player and that the likes of him, Bruno Soriano, Camacho, and Dani Ceballos are better midfielders than Luka Modric.

Everyone sees this foolish "opinion" of yours for what it is, and don't even try vindicating yourself with that "both opinions are valid" BS you tried pulling a few pages ago. An opinion based on shoddy reasoning and 0 critical thinking is not valid and worth practically nothing.

 

[Adversus]

Do you simply not understand that a rating is, by definition, an *interpretation* of statistics? The stats are all raw data and recorded to the best of their system's ability. There's no "two ways" about raw stats, the numbers are what they are and the only argument is if those numbers are incorrectly recorded. The rating algorithm is not subjective but it is still an interpretation and can therefore be wrong and often is. Or do you genuinely believe that Lorenzo Insigne and Dybala are top 5 players in Europe this season as their ratings suggest? Or that Illarramendi was a top 10 la liga player in 16/17?? No? Thought so.

Prove me wrong? You haven't offered any proof or argument of anything. You've made one of the stupidest points I've ever seen on this forum "wearing them out" by playing foolishly and then said that him getting a 7 is the same as looking at his ACTUAL dribbling/passing/shooting statistics to deem a great performance. You go to a whoscored rating to make your opinion for you instead of analyzing the performance as a whole and using stats to back it up, maybe because the actual opinions you come up with are so devoid of reason that it's impossible to argue with.

You actually blatantly ignore my main points with every reply. You have nothing to say about Deulofeu's horrendous 1/6 dribble completion rate, or the fact that with a high volume of usage he still managed to do nothing except produce failed dribbles and failed crosses. That the "goal" he was responsible for was actually just his error, and that his teammates had to recover from that error to set up an actual chance to score that Deulofeu in no way aided.



Unbiased =/= accurate. See above as to why whoscored ratings can and often are wrong. Neymar would clearly have been the best in the world for over a year now and all manner of OK performing midtable players would be seen as far better than many world class counterparts. An implicit rule #1 of any stats site is to look at the objective data and not a fricking rating.

He didn't even get a 7 as much as unknowngenius tries to point out. That's his season average so far. He got a 6.2 vs Getafe which is just 0.2 above the default. He didn't do well whatsoever, not even near it.

I thought 7 sounded high. Unlike you I actually think their rating system is pretty good. Someone like Dybala may not be a top 5 player but there's plenty who want him at Barca so he's in that large group below. In fact maybe his rating is a clue that he may be in future.

I thought Deulofeu actually had his worst game. Worse even than the Classico so 6.2 would be about right.

As for Neymar. When I saw Barca live last season he was the one that stood out and it was the game against Celta Vigo were Messi scored a wonder goal.

 

[FCBfan22]

Luis Suarez didn't do anything wrong against Getafe. Because he didn't do anything. Absolutely nothing. I hope that changes today. As for Deulofeu, he at least tried. I hope he shows something today and reanimates our attack.

 

[Ghostmaster]

Valverde on Deulofeu: "What I want him to do is to score lots of goals, to provide lots of assists, to work hard on defensive aspects. I want his wing to provide headache for the opposition, for him to help his full-back… nothing special."

 

[ElHolandésErrante]

Heard the commentator saying that Deulofeu was having a great match, but is it me or did he add nothing attack-wise. His best moment was probably him tracking back and recovering the ball in defence.

 

[ThwiX]

Horrible game. Just the kind I know him by from watching him at Everton, Milan etc.

 

[Zuti]

He is so frustrating to watch, it's like when he gets the ball, you already know he's gonna fuck it up.

 

[BarçaBarça]

Simply doesn't have the quality it seems. Can't cross, can't pass semi-difficult passes, and doesn't create on his own.
I have no expectations for him whatsoever. Let Denis play LW for now.

 

[-_- RandomUser -_-]

Something is wrong with this guy's brain.

 

[Nothanks]

Wasn't a great game for him
but like all new signings ill give him 6 months till i go critical on him.

i appreciate his work rate though, one positive from this match was his tracking back.

 

[te amo barca]

He is clearly afraid to fuck up and cannot express himself on the pitch. Too shy. Needs to be more selfish, shoot more.

 

[DonAndres]

Wasn't a great game for him
but like all new signings ill give him 6 months till i go critical on him.

i appreciate his work rate though, one positive from this match was his tracking back.

Lol. He was shit in a match where every other player in our front 6 was awesome, every player on the pitch bar Pique tbh. Utter shit. Dumb turnovers, trash crosses, more and more of the same as expected. He'll have occasional good games but mostly shit games, and remain on this level steadily.

Buttttt he got a 7.5 on Whoscored! Amazing match!

 

[kattanib]

Am I blind? Maybe.

I actually thought he played an excellent game ... Continuisly tracking back, running forward, creating threat on the flanks, clicking well with Semedo ... The guy is a workhorse. I don't expect him to score honestly, what he is doing is sufficient and refreshing, adds a new dimensions to our playing style (pure speedy winger)