Gerard Deulofeu

[DonAndres]

deulofeu did good tonight, so many bitter people here seem happier to see a player fail than succeed in barca.

Or maybe people actually expect an ounce of proof that a player played well, and won't accept it at face value just because you tell them to. You're saying it as a conclusion, and then calling us bitter for not accepting it. How about you tell me what Deulofeu did today that was so good?

I'm not happy to see him fail. I'm just not gonna call him a success if he isn't one.

 

[Adversus]

Why does Deulofeu deserve any credit for that goal whatsoever? All he did was fail, again. It was Roberto's good pass that set the goal up, and Denis's amazing finish that sealed it. Both of those actions were actually great and led to the goal, Deulofeu deserves no credit just for being present in the sequence of events. It wasn't the "chaos" that actually made the goal, but two well executed and intelligent actions. Plays like that in the final third actually create danger, as they are forced to defend more diligently and there is less room for error against competent attacks.

Nor should he particularly be blamed for their goal, as it was a wonder goal.

A wonder goal that wouldn't have happened for the foul.
Two well executed and intelligent actions that wouldn't have happened without the space that was created by the chaos caused by Deulofeu's attempted dribble. Simply put. Had he not attempted the take on the goal wouldn't have happened.

 

[khaled_a_d]

At least this part is correct, lmao. Deulofeu is a one-trick pony with no imagination and a turnover machine. People can go on about "Nerman 46 ball losses" or "Di Maria crosses" rightfully, but if they turn around after that to ever say that Deulofeu is good or useful then they are major hypocrites. Simply attempting 1 action 50000 times until it might work (and it really didn't today) isn't a solution. It isn't 'perseverance' or any of that BS. It's just dumb football.

Most won't mind those if they were 12M bench players, so no they aren't hypocrites. In fact it will be those who use them for the sake of their argument.

 

[JamDav1982]

A wonder goal that wouldn't have happened for the foul.
Two well executed and intelligent actions that wouldn't have happened without the space that was created by the chaos caused by Deulofeu's attempted dribble. Simply put. Had he not attempted the take on the goal wouldn't have happened.

Haha Deulofeu does not get credit for fucking up a dribble and ball bouncing to player who picks out another player to finish well.

Lets just start running directly at opponents every time get the ball if such a great play.

 

[Nothanks]

Or maybe people actually expect an ounce of proof that a player played well, and won't accept it at face value just because you tell them to. You're saying it as a conclusion, and then calling us bitter for not accepting it. How about you tell me what Deulofeu did today that was so good?

I'm not happy to see him fail. I'm just not gonna call him a success if he isn't one.

what is your expectation of deulofeu?
MY expectation is to be a substitute and help us out in the rotation games / late super sub
he took part in the equalizer today, and has helped us in first la liga game.
so far he is meeting expectations, so no i wouldn't call him a failure lol

 

[DonAndres]

A wonder goal that wouldn't have happened for the foul.
Two well executed and intelligent actions that wouldn't have happened without the space that was created by the chaos caused by Deulofeu's attempted dribble. Simply put. Had he not attempted the take on the goal wouldn't have happened.

He didn't produce it though. I could also say that if we didn't have a dumbass like Deulofeu constantly messing up on the RW and producing almost 0 successful attacking actions, we could have someone playing there who would've made plays like Roberto's smart cutback. Could've scored way earlier with a competent player instead of Deulofeu.

Hypotheticals are all a messy business, but just because shitty Deulofeu happened to mess up as part of an attack doesn't mean any credit goes to him. As Jamdav said, might as well always dribble straight into players and then claim credit for teammates brilliance recovering from your mistake if that's how it goes.

 

[DonAndres]

what is your expectation of deulofeu?
MY expectation is to be a substitute and help us out in the rotation games / late super sub
he took part in the equalizer today, and has helped us in first la liga game.
so far he is meeting expectations, so no i wouldn't call him a failure lol

So you too are giving credit to Deulofeu for fucking up a dribble that somehow led to the goal?

He was good in the 1st liga game, bad in literally every single other one and both supercup legs. And no, you can't write the supercup games off as he produced those shitty performances of his own merit. Why is he not held accountable for his performances? You're praising him for things that other players did after he messed tf up, but refuse to criticize him for the fuckups that he actually produced himself.

 

[Barcaman]

Noticed he worked more in defence than Dembele.

 

[Nothanks]

Messi also played a bad super copa and bad game today does that mean he fails?

look when the team plays bad individuals are inevitably going to be bad too
deulofeu isn't as bad as you portray him
new system, new coach and he isn't doing as bad as others while helping..

like bojan also brought up he helps defensively, he also gets behind the defense, makes runs and links up well with messi
so far he is better than our past wingers like munir/sandro/rafinha, and so far out shinning dembele.

 

[Alik]

So far Dembele hasn't shown he should be starting ahead of Deulofeu imo. Performance-wise.

 

[unknowngenius10]

Lol. I've known that Whoscored can be spotty in terms of recording everything that happens on the pitch, but of what they did record: Deulofeu had 1 successful dribble out of 6 attempts. I can remember at least 4 unsuccessful crosses explicitly. From what I recall he tried and failed more crosses than that and maybe dribbles too. That's a 16% recorded successful dribbling rate since you seem to be so incapable of calculating or estimating for yourself. Crossing stats aren't recorded by attempt on Whoscored AFAIK, but rather by successful actions.

You love making snide comments, for someone who has offered literally no argument other than "but muh he tried a bunch of shit and wore them down" . Not a single coach, pundit, player, or anyone would agree with the basic premise that attempting single actions repetitively to failure is a "great performance" and "wearing them down". It's also terrible play selection, as the plays he decides to make are not the right ones given the situation he's in and they are low probability actions overall that he tries endlessly. Your base understanding of what it means to be good at football seems to be wildly off the mark, and you sit here condescending and patronizing everyone who criticizes Deulofeu.

How about you present your own evidence or argument for once? How many times did Deulofeu produce successful attacking actions or meaningful sequences of play? How much evidence is there for this "great performance" you keep going on about? I'd love to see this proof of yours!

So according to Whoscored,your own source, Deulofeu has an average rating of 7 while Messi has an average of 9.4 in la Liga

Look whos making a fool of themselves

 

[Raketa10]

Deulofeu is for me a significant improvement on the bench. We finally have a player who can influence a tempo of the game.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Noticed he worked more in defence than Dembele.

Yes but Dembele hardly helps out with defense anyway. He really should.

 

[DonAndres]

So according to Whoscored,your own source, Deulofeu has an average rating of 7 while Messi has an average of 9.4 in la Liga

Look whos making a fool of themselves

Using Whoscored for raw stats vs using Whoscored for ratings....... Jeez You can't seem to come up with anything remotely rational.

 

[DonAndres]

Messi also played a bad super copa and bad game today does that mean he fails?

look when the team plays bad individuals are inevitably going to be bad too
deulofeu isn't as bad as you portray him
new system, new coach and he isn't doing as bad as others while helping..

like bojan also brought up he helps defensively, he also gets behind the defense, makes runs and links up well with messi
so far he is better than our past wingers like munir/sandro/rafinha, and so far out shinning dembele.

Comparing Messi's poor performances to Deulofeu's is absurd. Messi is out there playing with no good service to him, no support, and still manages to be the only player to do anything useful when he (and the team) plays bad. Those Supercup games, Messi was the only one who could conjure anything and even with a poor performance today he produced a great assist for Paulinho.

Deulofeu gets good service from Messi and from Semedo when he plays, yet does poorly. And, more specifically, he does poorly on plenty of INDIVIDUAL actions where his teammates or the system plays no part. Completing 1 out of 6 dribbles has literally nothing to do with his teammates or the system or anything but his own lack of quality. He's doing badly as an indivudal, not as a function of the collective (the way Messi was).

He does work hard defensively and does outperform Munir/Sandro/Rafinha, though that's a ridiculously low bar. Holding our players to standards that low and using those shit players for subsequent low standards is exactly what got our squad to this shit position in the first place. Why should we be content holding Deulofeu next to Munir/Sandro/Rafinha and not the likes of Asensio? I think Vidal would be a much smarter and better supporting RW than Deulofeu, make the right decisions and lead to better attacks and less turnovers. As for comparing him to Dembele, Ousmane barely has more than 90 minutes of total game time for Barca to showcase anything and like 2 weeks of training. Deulofeu has had much more game time and a full preseason.