Gerardo "Tata" Martino

[Alarcón]

No one has said that he is a great coach. People are just giving him credit for what he has done since the Real Sociedad match. Give credit where credits due.

Of course, I said it

 

[KingMessi]

It's fair to point out that Tata had to play with
Pinto.
It's also important to stress that Rosell had little time and very few options to find a replacement after a sudden Tito's relapse at the end od pre-season.

Tata was a good but naive man. In the end; a mistake.

Also worth mentioning that rumors suggested that we would have brought Lucho last season, if he hadn't been tied down by Celta already.

 

[serghei]

It's fair to point out that Tata had to play with
Pinto.
It's also important to stress that Rosell had little time and very few options to find a replacement after a sudden Tito's relapse at the end od pre-season.

Tata was a good but naive man. In the end; a mistake.

He did fine. He was very very very close to making the domestic double in his first season in Europe, without any transfers and with a close to 40 years old goalkeeper in the goal. Maybe not the best personality for a team full of stars like Barca, but a damn competent coach.

 

[Flavia]

He did fine. He was very very very close to making the domestic double in his first season in Europe, without any transfers and with a close to 40 years old goalkeeper in the goal. Maybe not the best personality for a team full of stars like Barca, but a damn competent coach.

Sticking with Pinto was his choice. We could at least had tried to get a better gk from la liga.

 

[serghei]

Sticking with Pinto was his choice. We could at least had tried to get a better gk from la liga.

Probably his fault. However, that Valdes injury was bad luck.

 

[linetty]

With all the quality he had at his disposal at Barca he had no choice than to come close to winning trophies. What I remember of him though is that he couldn't find a way to beat Atleti's bus on 6 occasions which was the reason we didn't win any trophy that season. I don't know if he had to fit Cesc into the line up at all costs but it was utterly stupid as it isolated Messi. How do you want to win anything when you don't do everything to make Messi comfortable?

Let's see what he does with Argies and then judge him though.

 

[serghei]

Messi had a so-so season. That's not down to Tata Martino. Messi himself said last year was not a good one for him. If Lucho manages to win one of CL / La Liga I'll admit he's better. If not, he isn't.

 

[Flavia]

Probably his fault. However, that Valdes injury was bad luck.

Totally his fault. Last season was wasted because of this decision, and ofc when Tata decided to throw in the towel too soon. Tata was another of rosell's long list of mistakes.

 

[serghei]

Totally his fault. Last season was wasted because of this decision, and ofc when Tata decided to throw in the towel too soon. Tata was another of rosell's long list of mistakes.

Sure, if we're thinking pragmatic, he won just a Supercopa. That's not good. But the team had some great performances during the season, sort of like now with Lucho. The difference was that since april, he gave up and that's not the right attitude to have. I remember Alexis scoring for 1-0 in the last game and Tata barely moved. I would've jumped like a mad man and entered 50m. in the field Mourinho style if I were coaching Barca and my team had taken the lead in the title decider.

Tata was a failure because he didn't win a big title. Lucho needs to do the same or he'll be bad too. In fact, I like the fact that Lucho sees failure and success in terms of what you win. Strictly silverware.

 

[Flavia]

Sure, if we're thinking pragmatic, he won just a Supercopa. That's not good. But the team had some great performances during the season, sort of like now with Lucho. The difference was that since april, he gave up and that's not the right attitude to have. I remember Alexis scoring for 1-0 in the last game and Tata barely moved. I would've jumped like a mad man and entered 50m. in the field Mourinho style if I were coaching Barca and my team had taken the lead in the title decider.

Tata was a failure because he didn't win a big title. Lucho needs to do the same or he'll be bad too. In fact, I like the fact that Lucho sees failure and success in terms of what you win. Strictly silverware.

Of course. We should had won la liga last season. And in this level, no titles means failure. Even more when you got so close.

 

[serghei]

Of course. We should had won la liga last season. And in this level, no titles means failure. Even more when you got so close.

I'm curious how are we gonna define Lucho's success if he doesn't win La Liga / CL, after we brought in pretty much every player he wanted except Cuadrado. Would people who blamed Tata gonna apply the same treatment to Lucho?

 

[Flavia]

I'm curious how are we gonna define Lucho's success. Provided he doesn't win La Liga / CL after we brought in pretty much every player he wanted except Cuadrado, that would be a failure IMO, regardless of the team's performance.

Ofc it would be a failure. And his fault, for losing games like celta at home, and benching Messi and Neymar at anoeta. He got the team right now, but his 1st half of the season was problematic.

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm curious how are we gonna define Lucho's success if he doesn't win La Liga / CL, after we brought in pretty much every player he wanted except Cuadrado. Would people who blamed Tata gonna apply the same treatment to Lucho?

Depends on the performances in the big games. If the play well and are unlucky not to win things then I wouldnt view it as a failure. It would be the start of a recovery.

Just as Rijkaard wasnt a failure in 2003/04 as it was clear they were on the right path.

Similarily though if the team won the cup but were poor in the CL and Leagues biggest games then I wouldnt see the season as a success just due to that silverware.

 

[serghei]

Just as Rijkaard wasnt a failure in 2003/04 as it was clear they were on the right path.

Rijkaard came after a 6th place in 2002/03. He improved the results. Lucho improving the results of Tata in the league would mean to win it. Simple as that. There's no comparison between last season and the 02/03 fiasco.

So, winning the league, the cup and making semis in CL would be called improving the results of Tata Martino.

 

[JamDav1982]

Rijkaard came after a 6th place in 2002/03. He improved the results. Lucho improving the results of Tata in the league would mean to win it. Simple as that. There's no comparison between last season and the 02/03 fiasco.

So, winning the league, the cup and making semis in CL would be called improving the results of Tata Martino.

Its about improvement though and this team is improving.

There is no divine right for the best team to win and a lot of luck is involved.

If the team play better in the big games this season than last and go toe to toe with the best teams then the season shouldnt be seen as a failure even if they fail to win the league or CL.

The difference is that last seasons team just didnt have it in big games and largely looked to be playing an outdated style for the third season in a row.