Gianluigi Buffon

[Vilarrubi]

My reputation is fine. I made a mistake and owned it. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last.

You're responding like a child because you know your arguments are bad, and you know you've been made to look a fool in this thread. As I said, even accounting for my fake stats, Ligue 1 is as competitive as Serie A according to your own logic. But you'd rather not acknowledge that because you know what it means.

There’s only one fool in this thread and it’s you.

You’ve gone from saying my stats were meaningless to then recognising they do show something (based on the 5 year span like UEFA uses) to trying to use them against me AND faking the stats to fit your argument. Man you need a night off

Also how is it possible for you the main Ligue 1 guy have PSG winning by 21 points that season.. even I knew they won by a ridiculous 31 points that season but I know nothing about Ligue 1 remember.

It means that in order it’s still, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 THEN Serie A... I never said by how much.

 

[DonAndres]

I'm sorry, but this argument is garbage. You can look all over Europe to find players failing for one club, before succeeding at another, without it having anything to do with the competitiveness of the league they left. Especially when you consider just how many players have left France to dominate outside of it. If they league were entirely uncompetitive, when players like Kanté moved to the EPL, they'd be out of their depth.

Being a source for talent doesn't really correlate with competition level. Otherwise why aren't the Eredivisie, Portuguese league, and to a lesser extent the Belgian league competitive when all 3 produce more talent than some big leagues like EPL or Serie A?

And yes, it does matter when you can see old/past it players dominate a league or players just generally play way above the level that they do in other comps. Like the Italian league having Higuain look like prime Suarez or 36 year old Luca Toni being top scorer only a couple of seasons ago shows evidence that the Serie A really is not that strong at all.

After all, what criteria can you think of besides European performance/coefficient and the performance of individual players across leagues to determine how strong one league stacks up against another? UEFA coefficient has France as the lowest of the top 5 btw.

Both of those criteria clearly disfavors Ligue 1. If there is any argument to be made about how Ligue 1 stacks up against the others in the top 5, those are the only ones.

 

[Jair Ventura]

There’s only one fool in this thread and it’s you.

Coming from the guy that admits he argues out of ignorance.

You’ve gone from saying my stats were meaningless to then recognising they do show something (based on the 5 year span like UEFA uses) to trying to use them against me AND faking the stats to fit your argument. Man you need a night off

Where did I admit that your logic was sensible? I only used your arguments against you to show how full of it you are.

Also how can you possibly, the main Ligue 1 guy have PSG winning by 21 points that season.. even I knew they won by a ridiculous 31 points that season but I know nothing about Ligue 1 remember.

For example:

Back to simple stats anomalies are evened out when looking at stats over the last 5 seasons.. that’s why we don’t pick one season out by itself like you suggested and that’s why over that period PSG have won their titles easier despite Juve winning one more.

That is you arguing against your own arguments.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Coming from the guy that admits he argues out of ignorance.

How much Ligue 1 do you watch?

Where did I admit that your logic was sensible? I only used your arguments against you to show how full of it you are.

Well that was the fail of the century then.. tried to use my arguments against me, faked stats in the process to be proven wrong once again

That is you arguing against your own arguments.

You're not making any sense at all.... Anomalies are perfectly fine when spread over the 5 year span, that's why we take an average.. that's the point Unlike you who would prefer to take one seasons stats (This is like teaching a child) The 31 points in this case I was referring to you putting 21 instead of 31.. did you change it on purpose?

 

[Jair Ventura]

Being a source for talent doesn't really correlate with competition level. Otherwise why aren't the Eredivisie, Portuguese league, and to a lesser extent the Belgian league competitive when all 3 produce more talent than some big leagues like EPL or Serie A?

Is the Eredivisie or Liga Nos's talent pools as deep as Ligue 1's? Are world class players moving from the second division in Portugal or the Netherlands to dominate in England or Spain? There's no comparison between the quality French academies are turning out in the modern era to the talent coming out of Portugal, the Netherlands, or Belgium.

And yes, it does matter when you can see old/past it players dominate a league or players just generally play way above the level that they do in other comps. Like the Italian league having Higuain look like prime Suarez or 36 year old Luca Toni being top scorer only a couple of seasons ago shows evidence that the Serie A really is not that strong at all.

It matters less than obscure players like Mahrez moving from lower tier clubs in France to dominate English football.

After all, what criteria can you think of besides European performance/coefficient and the performance of individual players across leagues to determine how strong one league stacks up against another? UEFA coefficient has France as the lowest of the top 5 btw.

I judge leagues by a few criteria: stadiums & pitches, academies, depth, finances, television rights, talent pool, competitiveness. No order.

Coefficients mean nothing to me. Where a league was 4-5 years ago isn't relevant in my mind, but where a league is going. The Bundesliga was very good in 12-13, but what about today? Next season or the season after that? The landscape of the league has changed completely.

Both of those criteria clearly disfavors Ligue 1. If there is any argument to be made about how Ligue 1 stacks up against the others in the top 5, those are the only ones.

I'm not that simple.

 

[Jair Ventura]

How much Ligue 1 do you watch?

More than none.

Well that was the fail of the century then.. tried to use my arguments against me, faked stats in the process to be proven wrong once again

I've successfully used your logic against you a couple of times. As I said, even when considering my fake stats your own arguments proved your stance on Ligue 1 to be wrong and misinformed.

You're not making any sense at all.... Anomalies are perfectly fine when spread over the 5 year span, that's why we take an average.. that's the point Unlike you who would prefer to take one seasons stats (This is like teaching a child) The 31 points in this case I was referring to you putting 21 instead of 31.. did you change it on purpose?

And according to the average, Ligue 1 is as competitive as Serie A. That isn't what you were arguing a few pages ago.

 

[Vilarrubi]

More than none.



I've successfully used your logic against you a couple of times. As I said, even when considering my fake stats your own arguments proved your stance on Ligue 1 to be wrong and misinformed.



And according to the average, Ligue 1 is as competitive as Serie A. That isn't what you were arguing a few pages ago.

How much do you watch though?

No you haven’t you’ve attempted once and it shows Ligue 1 still less competitive than Serie A... stop lying.. although we know you like to do that now.

Jair “Fake Stats” Ventura

That reply above mine wow you talk some shit.. basing leagues on stadiums, pitches, finances etc add Buffons opinion to that too.. let’s forget the main part of football... the ACTUAL FOOTBALL.. and competitions showing who’s strongest.

 

[Vilarrubi]

I judge leagues by a few criteria: stadiums & pitches, academies, depth, finances, television rights, talent pool, competitiveness. No order.

Coefficients mean nothing to me.

Some quote that

I suppose Qatar will be high up in your view as a footballing country soon because of the stadiums/finance. I'd love to see a graph of how that would work with all those variables........ OR you could just use coefficient like any other normal rational person.. which based their leagues on the FOOTBALL... rather than anything but the football.

 

[Jair Ventura]

How much do you watch though?

3-4 matches a week.

No you haven’t you’ve attempted once and it shows Ligue 1 still less competitive than Serie A... stop lying.. although we know you like to do that now.

First your argument was the gap between first and second, and then it was competitiveness, before finally switching to average between the dominant team and the next strongest team over the last 5 seasons. Your stance came away looking weaker in each instance because the gap between 1st and 2nd in Ligue 1 was the 2nd lowest in Europe last season, Monaco won a league championship only two seasons ago while Bayern and Juve are working on 7 or 8 straight respectively, and the average between first and second in Ligue 1 over the last 5 seasons is lower than the Bundesliga and almost identical with Serie A.

No lies in that.

Jair “Fake Stats” Ventura

Genius!

That reply above mine wow you talk some shit.. basing leagues on stadiums, pitches, finances etc add Buffons opinion to that too.. let’s forget the main part of football... the ACTUAL FOOTBALL.. and competitions showing who’s strongest.

But I mentioned quality? That falls under depth, competitiveness, and talent pool.

 

[Vilarrubi]

3-4 matches a week.



First your argument was the gap between first and second, and then it was competitiveness, before finally switching to average between the dominant team and the next strongest team over the last 5 seasons. Your stance came away looking weaker in each instance because the gap between 1st and 2nd in Ligue 1 was the 2nd lowest in Europe last season, Monaco won a league championship only two seasons ago while Bayern and Juve are working on 7 or 8 straight respectively, and the average between first and second in Ligue 1 over the last 5 seasons is lower than the Bundesliga and almost identical with Serie A.

No lies in that.



Genius!



But I mentioned quality? That falls under depth, competitiveness, and talent pool.

So you watch around 10% of Ligue 1... that’s not enough to know how competitive it is and even if you watched 100% and felt it was more competitive than the league table suggests.. it’s still your opinion over facts.

The gap between 1st and 2nd shows how competitive it is and the average for the strongest team is what we are talking about here.. you posted Buffons quote of him saying the league is competitive, no it isn’t that competitive at all.

Why go 8 seasons back.. coefficient sticks with 5 and we did that in the end.

Your views are opinions not facts and the thing [youtube][/youtube]is if French teams went further in Europe this season and overtook The Bundesliga in the Coefficient.. I would say respect to the French league and it is stronger than Bundesliga.. also if Juve walk the league and PSG have a close competitor this season you know how close it is and the averages would flip those round from 2nd place to 3rd in how competitive the league is within itself. I would acknowledge that and say Ligue 1 is stronger.. but until then....

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Goodnight sir

 

[Jair Ventura]

So you watch around 10% of Ligue 1... that’s not enough to know how competitive it is and even if you watched 100% and felt it was more competitive than the league table.. it’s still your opinion over facts.

Three to four matches would be 30-40% of Ligue 1 matches per week.... Anyway, this is coming from someone who admits to not watching the competition at all.

The gap between 1st and 2nd shows how competitive it is

Then Ligue 1 was the 2nd strongest competition in Europe last season. Your logic, contradicts your original stance on the French championship.

and the average for the strongest team is what we are talking about here..

Then Ligue 1 is more competitive than the Bundesliga and as competitive as Serie A. Same as above.

you posted Buffons quote of him saying the league is competitive, no it isn’t that competitive at all.

I'll take the words of a legend of who plays in the competition over those of someone who admits to not even watching.

Goodnight sir

Goodnight.

 

[Horatio]

3-4 matches a week.

Is life treating you that bad eh?

 

[Jair Ventura]

Is life treating you that bad eh?

A life full of football is a good one. Try watching more than Barca matches. The sport is special, you may just fall in love with it.

 

[Horatio]

A life full of football is a good one.

Stop lying. Go watch MLS then.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Stop lying. Go watch MLS.

I think it's a shame you don't like football. I'd hate to only be able to appreciate one club, or a single competition.