Hans-Dieter Flick

[Birdy]

Birdy, at the end of the day Flick doesn't have to change anything. Results will show if his style works or not. If he can produce results then by all means play offside trap to death.

The recent discussions happen because the team is starting to produce poor results.

If he can turn it around by sticking to his guns then all the credit to him. If not, well, this is not Tottenham let's make that clear.

The team started to produce poor displays, not poor results. Had we played well against Sociedad, Celta, Palmas, and Betis, and failed somehow to get the points I would not worry

And the poor displays have to do, for example with not playing the line as high as in the previous games
which is the contrary of what you think happened...

Part of the problem is not down to Flick, but to the board and SD for bad squad planning, as the bench cannot support the first team without immense drop in quality

but I think the main part might be mental, and has to do with concentration and motivation.
The mallorca game was exceptional, the Brest game was good, and that happened during the bad period.
That tells me it's not the drained levels of energy.
At least it's not that primarily

 

[serghei]

The team started to produce poor displays, not poor results. Had we played well against Sociedad, Celta, Palmas, and Betis, and failed somehow to get the points I would not worry

And the poor displays have to do, for example with not playing the line as high as in the previous games
which is the contrary of what you think happened...

Part of the problem, perhaps the main part, is not down to Flick, but to the board and SD for bad squad planning, as the bench cannot support the first team without immense drop in quality

The problem with the squad is pre-known. It's part of why the previous manager had a meltdown last season. We know the squad part, we want to see if Flick can do a great job in the current conditions or not. So far, we have wasted too many points vs lower rated teams, and that is simply not good enough when you want to win the league.

 

[Birdy]

The problem with the squad is pre-known. It's part of why the previous manager had a meltdown last season. We know the squad part, we want to see if Flick can do a great job in the current conditions or not. So far, we have wasted too many points vs lower rated teams, and that is simply not good enough when you want to win the league.

The previous manager failed not because of the squad, but because he was incapable of making the team play decent football, and the results (whenever he got them, like in 22/23 in the league) were down to luck rather than merit

 

[serghei]

The previous manager failed not because of the squad, but because he was incapable of making the team play decent football, and the results (whenever he got them, like in 22/23 in the league) were down to luck rather than merit

Yes, yes, really not interested in this discusson.

 

[ZenI]

The team started to produce poor displays, not poor results. Had we played well against Sociedad, Celta, Palmas, and Betis, and failed somehow to get the points I would not worry

And the poor displays have to do, for example with not playing the line as high as in the previous games
which is the contrary of what you think happened...

Part of the problem, perhaps the main part, is not down to Flick, but to the board and SD for bad squad planning, as the bench cannot support the first team without immense drop in quality

Come on, against Betis (and one more of the 3 games we lost or drew, can't remember which one) we started more or less our "starting 11" - we still played like shit. Frenkie is doing shit, Olmo plays like shit, Lewa has been meh last couple of games, Yamal has done 1-2 assists a game and than been meh and even Raph was lost against Betis. Sure the subs coming on to "change things" have been bad, but we still have much better players than many of the teams we lost points to. We off course need better depth than Pau, Martin, Tuna et al - but we can't just fall apart if we don't have our starting 11 on all cylinders, that's bullshit...

 

[Birdy]

Come on, against Betis (and one more of the 3 games we lost or drew, can't remember which one) we started more or less our "starting 11" - we still played like shit. Frenkie is doing shit, Olmo plays like shit, Lewa has been meh last couple of games, Yamal has done 1-2 assists a game and than been meh and even Raph was lost against Betis. Sure the subs coming on to "change things" have been bad, but we still have much better players than many of the teams we lost points to. We off course need better depth than Pau, Martin, Tuna et al - but we can't just fall apart if we don't have our starting 11 on all cylinders, that's bullshit...

I already said the display was bad from the starting XI in those games.
What else do you want me to admit?

 

[serghei]

Birdy, it's fine. If he doesn't win titles here it doesn't mean he's a terrible manager. Barca job is the toughest there is, especially now.

 

[ZenI]

I already said the display was bad from the starting XI in those games.
What else do you want me to admit?

Sorry, it wasn't personal I just looked at the last page in the thread and picked a comment and replied - happened to be you

 

[Birdy]

Yes, yes, really not interested in this discusson.

Irrelevant whether you are interested or not

It's a fact admitted by anyone who is not agenda-biased.
As long as you fail to admit it, you lack any credibility and can't be taken seriously

Flickball first 3 months >>>>>>> best football Xavi ever produced in 2.5 years

Flick showed simply that he can make this team win every trophy.
that he 'can'...
Whether it 'will' happen, is another question

 

[serghei]

Irrelevant whether you are interested or not

It's a fact admitted by anyone who is not agenda-biased.
As long as you fail to admit it, you lack any credibility and can't be taken seriously

I'm devastated

 

[serghei]

Flick showed simply that he can make this team win every trophy.
that he 'can'...
Whether it 'will' happen, is another question

Fair enough. Then he can be a great manager for us. If he will be, is another question.

 

[Birdy]

Fair enough. Then he can be a great manager for us. If he will be, is another question.

Whether it will happen doesnot depend only on him.
The board should take reponsibility
You can't expect miracles with such a bad planning

To understand the difference: there is no possible world where Xavi could be a great manager for us

 

[ZenI]

Irrelevant whether you are interested or not

It's a fact admitted by anyone who is not agenda-biased.
As long as you fail to admit it, you lack any credibility and can't be taken seriously

Flickball first 3 months >>>>>>> best football Xavi ever produced in 2.5 years

Flick showed simply that he can make this team win every trophy.
that he 'can'...
Whether it 'will' happen, is another question

So why/how did we go from the best football Xavi ever produced to below Xavi ever produced (also in terms of grinding results in Liga)? That's what's on peoples mind...

 

[serghei]

The good part is we are starting to get a clearer picture of Flick's strong points as well as his weak points, and we could see how we progress on both fronts as the pressure gets higher.

If we could get a CL semis I would personnally accept a failure in La Liga this season.

 

[TacticsTim]

There needs to be much less hype over every young kid that plays a few games. Pedri, gavi fati were are never Barca material and yet they were hyped to the moon for some little flashes of brilliance. None of them have ever had even 3 good consecutive games after all these years. Only yamal is the real Barca quality and maybe cubarsi eventually. The rest need to be gotten rid of