Ilaix Moriba

malvolio

Senior Member
It's not about money, it's about power.

Illaix had his mind fucked up by his agent into thinking he is Mbape or so, and has the power to get the wage he wants or blackmail the club.
Hence, he needs a very good lesson not only to set a precedent, but to set the balance of power where it should be.
Laporta is making the right call here.

Leti him rot at the stands, train with juvenil A or lower, and let's see how happy he is with his life 6 months later

yes it's about money. it is always about money. we think that the kid is good and would like to keep him. just that we don't want to pay over the odds like he wants and we're forcing him to renew basically.

he can negotiate with another club in 4-5 months anyway. so i would imagine in 6 months he would be happy with another contract.

all the while we are paying him to 'rot at the stands' or train with juvenil A.

that will teach him.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Yes, it will teach him a lot.
You can't see that now, let's wait a few months to read his interviews then.

It's not about money. If only that was at stake, he would have either renewed or sold already.
There is a power game going on, and Laporta is 100% spot on to not let a fucking kid bully a club
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Yes, it will teach him a lot.
You can't see that now, let's wait a few months to read his interviews then.

It's not about money. If only that was at stake, he would have either renewed or sold already.
There is a power game going on, and Laporta is 100% spot on to not let a fucking kid bully a club

I thought the power move was done when Laporta went public and said we won't bend over. What happens next is the will of the player.

If we are dumb enough to just pay him for a year to prove a point rather than cashing in and moving on, then good luck. Just hoping that he will cry and beg in 6 months time won't change anything.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
what's the whole debate about really? money, right?

the guy wants more money and we can't/wont offer it. why make such a big deal when it happens all the time? get 5 mil and stop with the macho bullshit as we won't benefit long run or short run.

also, do we want to go to court for not letting him train? fine, we lose either way.

You are shortsighted my friend. If we let this clown go for 5 mil after he was the highest paid kid in La Masia we'll lose much more money in the future. After that every other kid will try to blackmail the club in the same way. Barca needs to stay firm on this one.
 
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malvolio

Senior Member
You are shortsighted my friend. If we let this clown go for 5 mil after he was the highest paid kid in La Masia we'll lose much more money in the future. After that every other kid will try to blackmail the club in the same way. Barca needs to stay firm on this one.

we lost lots of players from la masia over the years. some we bought back, like pique, fabregas or garcia. some are doing their thing in other clubs.

as i've said, la porta made his stance clear so don't see where he blackmailed us. doesn't want to stay, fine. sell him now so we don't lose him on a free.

a brief history on how some of the la masia prospects left the academy - for the pussies in here that know better and think the world starts and stops with the 'ilaix moriba' case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj5e4s8VQhw
 
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khaled_a_d

Senior Member
we lost lots of players from la masia over the years. some we bought back, like pique, fabregas or garcia. some are doing their thing in other clubs.

Pique had to reject renewal offers from Manu, tells them he will only sign for Barca and come for peanuts, Eric came only on free with huge discount (Laporta decreased the initially agreed fee twice), Albs left because he wasn't highly rated and never signed back because his La Masia roots but due to being a bargain in a position of choice.
In all of those cases, those who were brought back, we did so because it was playing into our own advantage financially. Why would Pique force such move from Manu if he was from Valancia or Zaragoza academy? why would Eric accept a paycut after a pay cut if he was developed in Celta?

And when someone decided to make such sacrifice when he wasn't La Masia, we went for him :denis:

The only exception is Cesc, which was due to an obsession from Laporta and later Pep. Cesc left during the summer Laporta was elected and the board didn't have enough time to assess our youngster back then, we were a mess and Arsenal was a top team and Wenger wanted him personally. Laporta took it as a mistake that he wanted to fix, and Rossell took the matter as someone who will fix Laporta's mistake and fulfill Pep's wish to get him back.


we lost lots of players from la masia over the years. some we bought back, like pique, fabregas or garcia. some are doing their thing in other clubs.

as i've said, la porta made his stance clear so don't see where he blackmailed us. doesn't want to stay, fine. sell him now so we don't lose him on a free.

a brief history on how some of the la masia prospects left the academy - for the pussies in here that know better and think the world starts and stops with the 'ilaix moriba' case.

The video here is irrelevant tbh, all those talents (and the aforementioned players) left in either 2 way:
-When they became legally free agents at the age of 16, which is the age there is mass movement for talents in Spain anyway.
-Paying the buyout clause in their contracts.

In both cases, non of those were ever 1st team players with 1 year left in contract forcing their demands in the club.

Moriba is already getting a chance with 1st team despite poor showing with B team, knows the club financial situation and is rejecting the club advances of actually improving his contract, he want as much money as he comes now.
And then, if the club suspect that this is due to another club having agreement with him already, it is normal that the club will not accept that since it could open the door for more of that to happen: hey Barca, accept our offer or we will get that player in the future for free.
 

Rassvet

Well-known member
Weston Mckennie is apparently available. Get Moneyba out and bring him in. Pedri-Frenkie-Mckennie would dominate European football for the next 15 years.
 

malvolio

Senior Member
Pique had to reject renewal offers from Manu, tells them he will only sign for Barca and come for peanuts, Eric came only on free with huge discount (Laporta decreased the initially agreed fee twice), Albs left because he wasn't highly rated and never signed back because his La Masia roots but due to being a bargain in a position of choice.
In all of those cases, those who were brought back, we did so because it was playing into our own advantage financially. Why would Pique force such move from Manu if he was from Valancia or Zaragoza academy? why would Eric accept a paycut after a pay cut if he was developed in Celta?

And when someone decided to make such sacrifice when he wasn't La Masia, we went for him :denis:

The only exception is Cesc, which was due to an obsession from Laporta and later Pep. Cesc left during the summer Laporta was elected and the board didn't have enough time to assess our youngster back then, we were a mess and Arsenal was a top team and Wenger wanted him personally. Laporta took it as a mistake that he wanted to fix, and Rossell took the matter as someone who will fix Laporta's mistake and fulfill Pep's wish to get him back.

i don't know what are you trying to prove here. i wasn't going into particular cases, just stating a fact. have you slept better at night knowing that pique came back for 5M instead of his actual market value?

for me it's the same. it can happen that a player has other plans, leaves and we want to bring him back for different reasons.

but it's funny how you mention 'it was playing into our own advantage financially' when everybody else is saying it is not about money. like it is about proving a point and all that horse shit.


The video here is irrelevant tbh, all those talents (and the aforementioned players) left in either 2 way:
-When they became legally free agents at the age of 16, which is the age there is mass movement for talents in Spain anyway.
-Paying the buyout clause in their contracts.

In both cases, non of those were ever 1st team players with 1 year left in contract forcing their demands in the club.

Moriba is already getting a chance with 1st team despite poor showing with B team, knows the club financial situation and is rejecting the club advances of actually improving his contract, he want as much money as he comes now.
And then, if the club suspect that this is due to another club having agreement with him already, it is normal that the club will not accept that since it could open the door for more of that to happen: hey Barca, accept our offer or we will get that player in the future for free.

i gather you didn't watch the video and you're spreading lies:
eric garcia was 17
jordi mboula was 18 - didn't want to renew and barca sold for 3M as to no lose him for free
mateu morey was 18 already - he rejected contract renewal
alex grimaldo - 20 years old at the time, 6 months left on his contract, rejected renewal - barca sold(as to not lose him for free) for €1.5M and the right to a percentage of a future sale

what's the difference in moriba(at 18) already playing for first team or not, when contract is expiring anyway? maybe moriba thinks that he can play regularly elsewhere, maybe he wants more money.

there is no door to open as it happened in the past and will happen again. players will leave for various reasons. and we will sell when we see fit as to not lose money by keeping an unhappy player for 1 year and not getting a transfer fee for him.

PS: i guess the people in here talking about this not being about money, would be ok with dembele(supposedly) not wanting to renew and us losing him on a free just to prove a point. no? i mean, it's the same thing. let him rot in the stands!
 
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Joan

Well-known member
No bigger or more ambitious club (even now) would count on him and give him more chances than Barca. Wasting a year in the stands to earn better wages reeks insecurity and he wants to secure the future now.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
He's naive but he's also badly being advised by his entourage and agency as well.

As I said earlier in the thread those amazing offers he has are probably bullshit to some degree especially if it's an EPL team like Chelsea in which Jamdav made a good point, if he's holding out for a team Chelsea well good luck being in loan hell. Chelsea has better prospects than him and he will be sent out on loan and never sniff the first team.

He basically had it made here and was rated by first-team coaches and he became a regular sub last season and he's willing to throw it away.
 

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