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anguy

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I personally wouldn't want Pogba here, because Rakitic would need to sit on the bench.

About Gundogan, Rakitic+Gundogan is probably too defensive again, we need an Amc-Mc like Iniesta.

Not defensive at all .Remember that Rakitic is AM forced to play CM because we have no one else. He can easily play on LAM instead of Iniesta, he played there in Sevilla.

Maybe Arda-Iniesta-Rakitic(+Rafinha) will be more than enough for the next 2 seasons.
There is no room for another midfielder currently if Turan will turn out to be good, and if Iniesta will continue to play good.)

We thought our midfield is set with Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas and Thiago. One year later midfield was our weakness with Xavi aging, Iniesta often injured and Fabregas and Thiago gone. Things change quickly. Having some insurance and healthy competition doesn't hurt, those who lose could either accept bench or they can be sold for good money.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Not defensive at all .Remember that Rakitic is AM forced to play CM because we have no one else. He can easily play on LAM instead of Iniesta, he played there in Sevilla.



We thought our midfield is set with Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas and Thiago. One year later midfield was our weakness with Xavi aging, Iniesta often injured and Fabregas and Thiago gone. Things change quickly. Having some insurance and healthy competition doesn't hurt, those who lose could either accept bench or they can be sold for good money.

When we had 4 CM/AM of high quality one of them wanted out and left .year later another wasn't happy and left
You bring Gundogan and essentially you are creating an immediate problem from the crowding even with the rotation.if someone decide to leave or shows signs of decline we should look in the market for help .and every year their will be gems in the market
May be we should sign Dani Ceballos or a young gr8 talent and loan him back but for now as I said 4 CM/AM shouldn't be immediate priority tbh
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Not defensive at all .Remember that Rakitic is AM forced to play CM because we have no one else. He can easily play on LAM instead of Iniesta, he played there in Sevilla.

Rakitic was a defensive midfielder, a central midfielder and an offensive midfielder and played the best as a Cm and Amc long before Barcelona.
Gundogan, he plays more defensively, it seems.

So, in Iniesta+Rakitic duo, he is more like Rakitic.
If you want to play Gundogan at Rakitic's place and turn Rakitic into Iniesta (because he played Amc in Sevilla and Croatia), I still think that he is not such a good creator for Barca's level.

The same is with Pogba, he is not a creator.

We thought our midfield is set with Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas and Thiago.

Well, that was a premature thinking.
Cesc never actually played for Barca, and when he started to play, he didn't fit our system.
So, he was never a proven player at Barca, or at Barca's level, or in Barca's system.
Thiago didn't play too many matches and while he was in Barca, he didn't look as good (for our system) as people today say (revisionism again, as always).

So, with those 4 players, we had 2 proven players and 2 players in the range "who knows how will they fit into our team (in the future)."

Having some insurance and healthy competition doesn't hurt, those who lose could either accept bench or they can be sold for good money.

This is not only about you, but about a lot of users.
It is funny, because in attack, we have 3 positions, and we have 3 players for those 3 positions (Messi, Ney, Suarez).
We are not "allowed" to buy a healthy competition, because these 3 guys will cry like babies if they will get substituted.

So, even though we have 3 positions, a 4th guy (Pedro) was a surplus, and he wanted to leave, because he barely played.

So, 3 players for 3 positions in attack is EQUAL to=2 players for 2 positions in midfield.
Iniesta and Rakitic alone are already the same thing as MSN.

Now, we already have a 3rd guy, Turan.
So, that means that we have 3 world class players for 2 midfield positions (Rakitic, Iniesta, Turan).
While we have 3 players for 3 positions in attack (Msn).

Not only that, we also have Rafinha, who plays a lot. It is questionable whether he will be good enough ever to be a starter here, but he is a good squad player already.
Also, we still have Roberto, as the 5th option as a Cm.

So, in midfield, we have 3, or 4 players (with Rafinha), or 5 players (with Rafinha and Roberto), and people are asking for some "depth" and competition.
While with holy cows, Messi/Ney/Suarez, we are not allowed to buy anyone. A healthy competition and depth is NOT a good option, when we talk about Msn, isn't it?

That is somewhat hilarious, you have to agree...

We could "buy" the argument how Iniesta is almost finished, so we will have only Rakitic and Turan soon, so we will need at least one world class player, like Gundogan.
Ok, but then, Rafinha needs to be sold, we can't play with 4 central midfielders. Roberto is gone also, as a Cm. Denis Suarez needs to be sold. Halilovic needs to be sold.
Plus, if you buy Gundogan/Pogba, it will be waaaay to crowded until Iniesta retires.
And he will play at least till summer 2017', imo.
 
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serghei

Senior Member
You have to have a few players (at least 2-3) that are starter material, yet sit on the bench from time to time (by rotation of course). That is a must for a team like Barcelona, and that's what having an elite squad means. It's Lucho's job to rotate so that everyone is happy. You don't buy Arda Turan and Pogba for example to be sub players. You buy them to trust them in tough games.

If we want a CM and the price is right, option no1 should be Pogba, option no2 Gundogan, and option no3 Coutinho. That's how I see it. Talent, great age (21-25) and experience (some more than others).
 
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vukkapor

New member
You have to have a few players (at least 2-3) that are starter material, yet sit on the bench from time to time (by rotation of course). That is a must for a team like Barcelona, and that's what having an elite squad means. It's Lucho's job to rotate so that everyone is happy. You don't buy Arda Turan and Pogba for example to be sub players. You buy them to trust them in tough games.

If we want a CM and the price is right, option no1 should be Pogba, option no2 Gundogan, and option no3 Coutinho. That's how I see it. Talent, age and experience (some more than others).

no1 Veratti*
 

Yannik

Senior Member
yupp, hes kidna carrying their attack right now, BVB struggling to get a foot into the offense, but Gündogan is still doing his through balls.
 

BenRobbins

New member
He is having a poor game... Januzaj has been the best dortmund player. Meanwhile in manchester, we are bringing on fellaini and valencia. But thats veering off topic.

Wiegl is on to help him out a bit.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
yupp, hes kidna carrying their attack right now, BVB struggling to get a foot into the offense, but Gündogan is still doing his through balls.

This is one of the worst games this season. Having said that, I know they played a lot of bench players.
 

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