What do you think of when you think of El Clásico?
It's the biggest game there is. It will be complicated. It will require us to be at the best level if we want to win. It´s very nice to play against Madrid, they demand your best performance.
But they’re not playing great right now.
I don’t think so. They’re very good. We either play well or they’ll win. They’re Madrid.
At this point in the season do you focus more on winning the treble or on beating Madrid?
No. Our objective is to win the next game, even more so if it’s a game against Madrid. We’re in April there’s a long way to go until the end of the season.
And what do you think of when you think of Modric?
I think of one of the best players I’ve seen. I see difficulties. And I think of a friend.
You were born in Switzerland, but you maintained the Croatian feeling to the point at which you chose to play for them at national team level. Why is that?
It was easy. During the Balkan war my family emigrated, but we always kept our language and the Croatian customs. I feel Croatian, but it’s true that a big part of my heart is Swiss, because that’s where I grew up. Deciding wasn’t a problem.
How did the war affect your family?
Fortunately it didn’t do us much damage in the sense that we didn’t lose a lot of relatives, but they had to leave their homes. When I was seven or eight years old we returned to our home and you could see that there had been a war. I don’t like talking about this a lot, what happened, happened… In general it’s kind of impossible to understand why, but the important thing is that we moved on and created a future.
What do you think when you see the images of the Syrian refugees?
I see people that are going through similar situations to the ones my family did. I have uncles that got on a ship without knowing where they were going and they got to Australia. My parents went to Switzerland; my mom found a job in a socks factory and my father worked in construction. He used to be a football player at an almost professional level, but in Switzerland he couldn’t make a living from that, so I have the feeling that I’m living his dream. That’s why I feel privileged.
Is that why you run so much?
Maybe. I enjoy every moment. Including this one, sitting here with you, I’m enjoying my profession. I enjoy the time in the dressing room and the trips, so you can imagine how much I enjoy being on the pitch, playing for the best team in the world.
Did you always want to be a footballer?
Always. At school some kids were saying: “I want to be a policeman!” “I want to be a firefighter!” I always wanted to be a footballer. And they laughed at me! “No, Ivan, that can’t be,” they used to tell me. I fulfilled my dream and they did theirs. When I was 11 I was a ball boy at Basel’s stadium to be able to be near the players. When one of them said hello to me it was the best feeling. Now I’m on the other side and I enjoy this privilege.
And if you wouldn’t have crossed the line, what would you have been?
Who knows? I started studying architecture; maybe I’d be an architect. As a matter of fact I still like it a lot. I even worked in an office, Herzon & De Meuron, who did the Basel stadium, Bayern’s stadium and the one in Beijing. They’re Basel fans and they allowed me to learn from them a bit. But I had to choose to focus on one of the two things 100% and I chose football, the two weren’t compatible.
Barcelona is a very attractive city for people passionate about architecture. Have you been able to enjoy it?
Yes, of course! I visited a lot of Gaudi buildings. It’s a pleasure to live here for people who are as interested in this as I am.
What does football have in common with architecture?
A lot of things: the way a team is built, the way a system endures things… Football has a lot of things that are comparable to architecture. Football isn’t as easy as taking the ball and putting it in the net. You pick the best ones in each position and you don’t have the best team. You have to make them work together. Well, sometimes football is as easy as giving the ball to Messi, but not always; even when you have Leo, you have to have a structure. Living with Leo is a joy, but it’s not enough, it produces the need to help him be the best.
Doing the running for him and the trident?
If it were like that they would have earned it. They know that they have a support system behind them and we know that we have them. We work to win and if we help them it’s good for everyone. But they also run and they make sacrifices for the rest of the team and they score their goals. The important thing is for all of us to be together and to work for a common idea.
Are you referring to the importance of positional play?
Exactly. Our structure is very well prepared, it’s recognizable and starting from there we have to be patient in order to impose the geniality and the talent. But that’s sustained by the effort. Without effort, the talent and the genius couldn’t be displayed. We try to be organized and to attack and defend together. That’s our strength even if it doesn’t look like it.
Barça’s play has more work than talent?
Absolutely. Talent alone isn’t enough. You take the best players in the world in each position and that wouldn’t be the best team. We were talking about Gaudi; he was a genius, he had unique ideas, but behind that idea there was a mathematical, structural talent, that sustained the genius idea or else his buildings wouldn’t stand up, they’d collapse. They’d be very pretty, but they’d collapse. It’s not that easy: you take good paper, a good pen, you’re a genius, but that’s not enough. You have to provide solutions in every moment, to every idea. It’s like playing with Messi, it seems easy, but it’s not.
If Messi was an architect which one would he be?
He would be Gaudi, Herzog & De Meuron, Foster and the minimalism of Mies van der Rohe. Messi would the geniality of all the genius put together.
And you?
I’d be his helper. Like now.
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